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Some quick remarks: 1. "aftermath"? We are not post crises yet. Look at the economic performance of the Netherlands or Finland during the last year. And of cou

Some quick remarks: 1. "aftermath"? We are not post crises yet. Look at the economic performance of the Netherlands or Finland during the last year. And of course the south is still unable to employ a lot of the youth and Greece is worst than ever. 2. "Far-right" is not a good description of these parties. They are anti-immigration. That is the only thing they have in common. They disagree on other issues. 3. People turn to these parties because like in the US, the political landscape in Europe has shifted to the right, economically. A blatant example of this is that both the center right and center left are fully supportive of TTIP. The only other notable alternative besides the anti-immigration parties is the Greens but the Greens are highly opinionated about many things that tends to turn people off. Plus they have been there since forever and not achieved much so people do not see them as "change". 4. "The typical political reaction to financial crises is as follows: votes for far-right parties increase strongly, government majorities shrink, the fractionalisation of parliaments rises and the overall number of parties represented in parliament jumps. These developments likely hinder crisis resolution and contribute to political gridlock. The resulting policy uncertainty may contribute to the much-debated slow economic recoveries from financial crises." Way to spin that into a bad thing! A more decentralized more democratic government is a good thing. Less incompetent and corrupt members of the central parties that contributed to the crises through their mismanagement is also a good thing.

vezzy-fnord 11y ago
more decentralized more democratic government What decentralization are you talking about? None takes place. Party representation is increased in a central body. That's it.
clavalle 11y ago
Your comment is a perfect example of what they mean by 'Far-right' beyond just anti-immigration policies. Libertarianism is a far right ideology.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > Libertarianism is a far right ideology. No, its not. Libertarianism is an ideology that sometimes coexists with right-wing (including far-right) ideologies, but also sometimes coexists with left-wing (including far-left) ideologies. People mainly familiar with American politics may be prone to confuse libertarianism with a far-right ideology, since the label is mainly used in the US by and about either the right-libertarian Libertarian Party or by a contingent within the right-wing Republican Party, a party which has more generally adopted, particulary over the last handful of decades, a lot of right-libertarian rhetoric.
  - toomuchtodo 11y ago
    > but also sometimes coexists with left-wing (including far-left) ideologies. What left ideologies can libertarianism coexist with? As a far left democratic socialist, I don't see any.
    - dragonwriter 11y ago
      > What left ideologies can libertarianism coexist with? The general name for ideologies of the left that incorporate libertarianism is libertarian socialism, and there's a lot of far-left libertarian ideologies within that scope of that label (probably the most widely recognizable by name being anarcho-syndicalism.)
    - Artistry121 11y ago
      See Flexicurity in Denmark.
    - jaredhansen 11y ago
      >What left ideologies can libertarianism coexist with? You might be surprised. Bleeding Heart Libertarians[0] is a good place to start. In the US, libertarianism has traditionally been more closely aligned with the right, but that's more or less an accident of history. There's room for disagreement of course (based mostly on how you define terms), but libertarians find plenty of overlap and disagreement with both the left and the right. [0] http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/ http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/
eli_gottlieb 11y ago
>3. People turn to these parties because like in the US, the political landscape in Europe has shifted to the right, economically. A blatant example of this is that both the center right and center left are fully supportive of TTIP. The only other notable alternative besides the anti-immigration parties is the Greens but the Greens are highly opinionated about many things that tends to turn people off. Plus they have been there since forever and not achieved much so people do not see them as "change". The first time this happened, in the Great Depression, there was also a steady move towards far-left parties. This time, the far-left has been doubly crippled: once by the lack of the Soviet Union to point to or turn to for examples and instructions in how socialism can work, and secondly by Western governments equating the far-left with domestic terrorism (which hasn't been true since the '70s-'90s period) and cracking down. I wonder what our current situation would look like if the political spectrum was allowed to extend sufficiently to the left that Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn (bog-standard social democrats) couldn't call themselves revolutionary.

vezzy-fnord 11y ago

more decentralized more democratic government What decentralization are you talking about? None takes place. Party representation is increased in a central body. That's it.

clavalle 11y ago

Your comment is a perfect example of what they mean by 'Far-right' beyond just anti-immigration policies. Libertarianism is a far right ideology.

dragonwriter 11y ago
> Libertarianism is a far right ideology. No, its not. Libertarianism is an ideology that sometimes coexists with right-wing (including far-right) ideologies, but also sometimes coexists with left-wing (including far-left) ideologies. People mainly familiar with American politics may be prone to confuse libertarianism with a far-right ideology, since the label is mainly used in the US by and about either the right-libertarian Libertarian Party or by a contingent within the right-wing Republican Party, a party which has more generally adopted, particulary over the last handful of decades, a lot of right-libertarian rhetoric.
- toomuchtodo 11y ago
  > but also sometimes coexists with left-wing (including far-left) ideologies. What left ideologies can libertarianism coexist with? As a far left democratic socialist, I don't see any.
  - dragonwriter 11y ago
    > What left ideologies can libertarianism coexist with? The general name for ideologies of the left that incorporate libertarianism is libertarian socialism, and there's a lot of far-left libertarian ideologies within that scope of that label (probably the most widely recognizable by name being anarcho-syndicalism.)
  - Artistry121 11y ago
    See Flexicurity in Denmark.
  - jaredhansen 11y ago
    >What left ideologies can libertarianism coexist with? You might be surprised. Bleeding Heart Libertarians[0] is a good place to start. In the US, libertarianism has traditionally been more closely aligned with the right, but that's more or less an accident of history. There's room for disagreement of course (based mostly on how you define terms), but libertarians find plenty of overlap and disagreement with both the left and the right. [0] http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/ http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/

eli_gottlieb 11y ago

>3. People turn to these parties because like in the US, the political landscape in Europe has shifted to the right, economically. A blatant example of this is that both the center right and center left are fully supportive of TTIP. The only other notable alternative besides the anti-immigration parties is the Greens but the Greens are highly opinionated about many things that tends to turn people off. Plus they have been there since forever and not achieved much so people do not see them as "change". The first time this happened, in the Great Depression, there was also a steady move towards far-left parties. This time, the far-left has been doubly crippled: once by the lack of the Soviet Union to point to or turn to for examples and instructions in how socialism can work, and secondly by Western governments equating the far-left with domestic terrorism (which hasn't been true since the '70s-'90s period) and cracking down. I wonder what our current situation would look like if the political spectrum was allowed to extend sufficiently to the left that Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn (bog-standard social democrats) couldn't call themselves revolutionary.