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This doesn't seem to make much sense. The article treats neighborhoods like islands, and doesn't analyze the inflow of residents. Anyone familiar with living i

by lsy 11y ago

This doesn't seem to make much sense. The article treats neighborhoods like islands, and doesn't analyze the inflow of residents. Anyone familiar with living in an area with rapidly increasing rent should understand the results here: people move between neighborhoods at generally equal rates all things being equal. In a gentrifying situation, people of less means will try to stay longer because they know they won't be able to get back in later and enjoy the same safety, amenities, etc. Rent control helps with this. But when they choose or are forced to move, the people coming in to replace them are higher-income, as opposed to people in the same income bracket, which this article doesn't address. The way the article analyzes the situation, two working-class neighborhoods exchanging 50% of their low-income population are experiencing more "gentrification" than a neighborhood where 10% of low-income people are replaced by high-income people every year. I don't think anybody thinks of that result as a reasonable measure of gentrification.

peterwwillis 11y ago
> people move between neighborhoods at generally equal rates all things being equal Source? > In a gentrifying situation, people of less means will try to stay longer because they know they won't be able to get back in later and enjoy the same safety, amenities, etc What poor black inner-city neighborhood are you living in that has better safety and amenities than the county surrounding it? People don't want to move because they just don't want to move, and they already had a house paid for, probably for more than a generation. > But when they choose or are forced to move, the people coming in to replace them are higher-income, as opposed to people in the same income bracket, which this article doesn't address. Again: Source? In a lot of neighborhoods in my city, people may have chosen or been forced moved out, but nobody ever moved in. Your generalization doesn't work for all cases. > two working-class neighborhoods exchanging 50% of their low-income population What neighborhood is this? Working class people don't just move around to the next neighborhood all the time. They buy a house and stay put; that's the whole idea behind the fantasy of the American dream and the working class.
- jfoutz 11y ago
  > Source? a priori. lsy is constructing a model. The foundation of the model is equilibrium. They're going out of their way to highlight the things that are out of equilibrium to explain why people might move for other than random reasons. Imagine a world with only two cities easterland and westerville. If crime, safety, amenities, economy is the same, people are going to bounce around for random reasons. maybe bobby got into westerville state. mabye sue wants to be closer to his family. by the law of large numbers, those random fluctuations are going to balance out. There is no threat of godzilla attacking esterland, thus causing mass exodus to westerland. > Again: Source? if you accept equilibrium, then clearly things can go out of balance in two ways. Demand going up, or demand going down. lsy isn't trying to explain all cases, lsy is explaining the demand going up case. > Your generalization doesn't work for all cases. Yes, but all cases is not the issue at hand. The issue at hand is what happens when demand goes up. You have my sympathies that your neighborhoods are turning into ghost towns. It seems like you have a different problem that's clouding your thinking about the demand going up case, because they're related, but different.

by lsy 11y ago

peterwwillis 11y ago

> people move between neighborhoods at generally equal rates all things being equal Source? > In a gentrifying situation, people of less means will try to stay longer because they know they won't be able to get back in later and enjoy the same safety, amenities, etc What poor black inner-city neighborhood are you living in that has better safety and amenities than the county surrounding it? People don't want to move because they just don't want to move, and they already had a house paid for, probably for more than a generation. > But when they choose or are forced to move, the people coming in to replace them are higher-income, as opposed to people in the same income bracket, which this article doesn't address. Again: Source? In a lot of neighborhoods in my city, people may have chosen or been forced moved out, but nobody ever moved in. Your generalization doesn't work for all cases. > two working-class neighborhoods exchanging 50% of their low-income population What neighborhood is this? Working class people don't just move around to the next neighborhood all the time. They buy a house and stay put; that's the whole idea behind the fantasy of the American dream and the working class.

jfoutz 11y ago
> Source? a priori. lsy is constructing a model. The foundation of the model is equilibrium. They're going out of their way to highlight the things that are out of equilibrium to explain why people might move for other than random reasons. Imagine a world with only two cities easterland and westerville. If crime, safety, amenities, economy is the same, people are going to bounce around for random reasons. maybe bobby got into westerville state. mabye sue wants to be closer to his family. by the law of large numbers, those random fluctuations are going to balance out. There is no threat of godzilla attacking esterland, thus causing mass exodus to westerland. > Again: Source? if you accept equilibrium, then clearly things can go out of balance in two ways. Demand going up, or demand going down. lsy isn't trying to explain all cases, lsy is explaining the demand going up case. > Your generalization doesn't work for all cases. Yes, but all cases is not the issue at hand. The issue at hand is what happens when demand goes up. You have my sympathies that your neighborhoods are turning into ghost towns. It seems like you have a different problem that's clouding your thinking about the demand going up case, because they're related, but different.