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If an engine does not meet the requirements and because of this, cannot be sold on a market as large as the US or Europe, this is a big thing. Unthinkable, tha

If an engine does not meet the requirements and because of this, cannot be sold on a market as large as the US or Europe, this is a big thing. Unthinkable, that this has been measured and not been reported, but instead quickly and silently hacked. Indeed, even with a new head, there is still something wrong at VW.

jacquesm 11y ago
Even more unthinkable that there now is a 'quick fix' that costs very little money per vehicle and will magically make the car meet emissions standards and will not lead to loss of power or increased emissions. If it was that simple you'd think those bad boy engineers would have implemented that right from the get-go rather than to go this somewhat harder route to the goal.
- mironathetin 11y ago
  oh yes! This I also do not understand at all. They replace the software and all of a sudden the emissions are ok and the unsolvable problem has been solved.
- mironathetin 11y ago
  By the way, as a reaction to this issue, a german motor magazine has measured real life compliance to the Euro-6 norm for a couple of popular cars: VW Golf, Opel, Audi, Mercedes c-class, Fiat 500 etc. All, and I mean ALL of them emit 2-8 times as much as allowed by Euro 6. The heavier the car, the worse the result. All SUVs like the Audi Q3 or BMW Xx have terrible measurements. The best - was the VW Golf with the 2 litre engine. The worst was the Audi Q3, which emits 5 times as much as the Euro-5 norm (which it was adapted to) and thus 10 times as much as Euro-6. Shame.
  - jacquesm 11y ago
    Link?
    - mironathetin 11y ago
      I was about to write: "there is something like printed journals" (I read it at the physiotherapist while waiting for my treatment). But it is online: http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/testbericht/real-abgastest-wie-sauber-sind-diesel-wirklich-vw-abgasskandal-10254994.html http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/testbericht/real-abgastes... Test your german. I just saw, that the Fiat 500 is even worse that all the others. Shocking results.
      - jacquesm 11y ago
        Das geht schon ;) Surprisingly, the EA189 does not even appear to be the worst offender there.
      - thescriptkiddie 11y ago
        If I understand correctly, all of the cars tested (including the petrol one) exceeded their NOx ratings by at least 60%. Of these, the VW was actually the second best after the petrol one. The older Audi model they tested didn't fair as well, but it still did better than the BMW, Opel, Volvo, or Fiat. Going off of that, it would seem that VWAG was unfairly singled out.
        mironathetin 11y ago
        "it would seem that VWAG was unfairly singled out" If you look at the true numbers, yes. But VW has been targeted for intentionally cheating. And don't forget, some Audi engines are also inherited from VW.

jacquesm 11y ago

Even more unthinkable that there now is a 'quick fix' that costs very little money per vehicle and will magically make the car meet emissions standards and will not lead to loss of power or increased emissions. If it was that simple you'd think those bad boy engineers would have implemented that right from the get-go rather than to go this somewhat harder route to the goal.

mironathetin 11y ago
oh yes! This I also do not understand at all. They replace the software and all of a sudden the emissions are ok and the unsolvable problem has been solved.
mironathetin 11y ago
By the way, as a reaction to this issue, a german motor magazine has measured real life compliance to the Euro-6 norm for a couple of popular cars: VW Golf, Opel, Audi, Mercedes c-class, Fiat 500 etc. All, and I mean ALL of them emit 2-8 times as much as allowed by Euro 6. The heavier the car, the worse the result. All SUVs like the Audi Q3 or BMW Xx have terrible measurements. The best - was the VW Golf with the 2 litre engine. The worst was the Audi Q3, which emits 5 times as much as the Euro-5 norm (which it was adapted to) and thus 10 times as much as Euro-6. Shame.
- jacquesm 11y ago
  Link?
  - mironathetin 11y ago
    I was about to write: "there is something like printed journals" (I read it at the physiotherapist while waiting for my treatment). But it is online: http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/testbericht/real-abgastest-wie-sauber-sind-diesel-wirklich-vw-abgasskandal-10254994.html http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/testbericht/real-abgastes... Test your german. I just saw, that the Fiat 500 is even worse that all the others. Shocking results.
    - jacquesm 11y ago
      Das geht schon ;) Surprisingly, the EA189 does not even appear to be the worst offender there.
    - thescriptkiddie 11y ago
      If I understand correctly, all of the cars tested (including the petrol one) exceeded their NOx ratings by at least 60%. Of these, the VW was actually the second best after the petrol one. The older Audi model they tested didn't fair as well, but it still did better than the BMW, Opel, Volvo, or Fiat. Going off of that, it would seem that VWAG was unfairly singled out.
      - mironathetin 11y ago
        "it would seem that VWAG was unfairly singled out" If you look at the true numbers, yes. But VW has been targeted for intentionally cheating. And don't forget, some Audi engines are also inherited from VW.