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I'm not sure if this was your point or not, but we can't really trust any handset without an open baseband, of which all of the handsets we use today don't have

I'm not sure if this was your point or not, but we can't really trust any handset without an open baseband, of which all of the handsets we use today don't have. As long as we're stuck with proprietary blobs and their secrecy, we can't trust what's in them. Given the technical skill shown in some of the Snowden leaks, it seems to be all but a given that these blobs are compromised from the factory by three-letter agencies. It's somewhat amusing watching the overt rhetoric of the FBI "crypto war" when the majority of even technical people make far less of a fuss over covert exploitation, which has the dual benefits of being pretty much ubiquitous and plausibly deniable. One NSL to Intel and Qualcomm, or better yet, one call to an executive with the loyalty of a few "patriotic" employees, the secret is safe, and everyone is pwned by default. It is basically impossible to use a modern computing stack without trusting someone's proprietary blob, and the general population has little to no care about attacks at a level that they really don't understand. That's probably why all the press is on this crypto rhetoric to begin with.

cinquemb 11y ago
>It's somewhat amusing watching the overt rhetoric of the FBI "crypto war" when the majority of even technical people make far less of a fuss over covert exploitation, which has the dual benefits of being pretty much ubiquitous and plausibly deniable. Sounds like what John Young said today on cypherpunks mailing list[0] and something I don't see the public nor the all actors involved this "crypto c̶i̶r̶c̶u̶s̶ war" shedding light on soon: "Kill metadata and other crypto-issue-overdone diversions. Metadata and other crypto-workarounds resulted from the crypto wars of the 1990s which were bragged to be won rather than faked out. The fake-out was orchestrated by some of the very same crypto warriors claiming to be against gov-controlled crypto. A way to identify them is to note who rose to prominence and wealth in crypto com-edu-org. Still at it, ratcheting up the need for ever more crypto, acknowledging the workarounds but, but, but: Let's Encrypt, HTTPS-HTS everywhere, secure drops, freedom of the press and courage foundations, Snowden talks and tweets, FISC amicus curiea, POTUS and TLA advisories, industry lobbyists, dual hats riding the crypto gravy train and more likely, the subway out of sight. The money and prestige to be gained by working all sides of the crypto phony war is, as Greenwald crows of Omidyar's $250M bribe, irresistable." [0] https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-December/011250.html https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-December/01125...
c22 11y ago
I think jaquesm was making a tongue in cheek reference to the thought process of 2g's designers.

cinquemb 11y ago

>It's somewhat amusing watching the overt rhetoric of the FBI "crypto war" when the majority of even technical people make far less of a fuss over covert exploitation, which has the dual benefits of being pretty much ubiquitous and plausibly deniable. Sounds like what John Young said today on cypherpunks mailing list[0] and something I don't see the public nor the all actors involved this "crypto c̶i̶r̶c̶u̶s̶ war" shedding light on soon: "Kill metadata and other crypto-issue-overdone diversions. Metadata and other crypto-workarounds resulted from the crypto wars of the 1990s which were bragged to be won rather than faked out. The fake-out was orchestrated by some of the very same crypto warriors claiming to be against gov-controlled crypto. A way to identify them is to note who rose to prominence and wealth in crypto com-edu-org. Still at it, ratcheting up the need for ever more crypto, acknowledging the workarounds but, but, but: Let's Encrypt, HTTPS-HTS everywhere, secure drops, freedom of the press and courage foundations, Snowden talks and tweets, FISC amicus curiea, POTUS and TLA advisories, industry lobbyists, dual hats riding the crypto gravy train and more likely, the subway out of sight. The money and prestige to be gained by working all sides of the crypto phony war is, as Greenwald crows of Omidyar's $250M bribe, irresistable." [0] https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-December/011250.html https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-December/01125...

c22 11y ago

I think jaquesm was making a tongue in cheek reference to the thought process of 2g's designers.