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The knock against this this is that it's a very clickbaity title. If it's true, it's a big deal, but the title made it to be a BIGGER deal by implying it's all

The knock against this this is that it's a very clickbaity title. If it's true, it's a big deal, but the title made it to be a BIGGER deal by implying it's all sales. Which would be huge, but also absurd. The idea that Surface is selling well should be taken away even if the article is clickbaity. By all accounts, MS is hitting supply walls with Skylake before they meet demand or cross some sort of arbitrary sales goal they want to maintain [0]. They're sold out everywhere and backordered on the SP4 and SB. I'm glad I pre-ordered! And the MS devkit? It's.. um.. I mean I know that people will be shocked to hear it but it's not only really damn good these days, but it's open source. Look at how you do Async programming on Windows Phone with C# or JavaScript, and what kinda performance gains you get. Check out the MS GitHub and see how much of themselves they've put out there and opened to the community. It's a big deal. I'm actually enthusiastic to join their dev community. [0]: http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-core-i5-i7-processors-global-shortage/ http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-core-i5-i7-processors-glob... http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/read/there-will-be-a-major-shortage-of-skylake-cpus-until-end-of-november/036847 http://www.pcr-online.biz/news/read/there-will-be-a-major-sh... http://www.winbeta.org/news/rumor-surface-book-surface-pro-4-shipments-delayed-due-intel-skylake-shortages http://www.winbeta.org/news/rumor-surface-book-surface-pro-4...

alexkavon 11y ago
MS devkit? Like this: https://msdn.microsoft.com/library/windows/apps/br211377.aspx https://msdn.microsoft.com/library/windows/apps/br211377.asp...
- KirinDave 11y ago
  C#, F#, JavaScript, TypeScript, and their development toolchain. Every Surface Book ships with in-the-box high performance virtualization (although Linux support for being a client OS for high performance networking is a bit spotty). They're doing things like demoing debugging C# executables running inside docker containers on Linux, from Visual Studio in the host Win10 VM. Additional heresy incoming: Powershell is extremely good as well, although a very different vision of the world than bash and its successors.
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  - acqq 11y ago
    I didn't understand what was behind your second paragraph, my searches lead me to: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/dn879354.aspx https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/dn879354.aspx "Mono: The Mono CLR enables you to develop and run ASP.NET 5 apps on a Mac or Linux device."
    - KirinDave 11y ago
      Mono is an open source initiative that is not what I was referring to. Please check out https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr and https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn and check the licenses of both. Mono has been lifting large chunks of the MS .NET core libraries over to their implementation because MS has done a lot of work on performance. You can download a Microsoft published source code, and build it, so that you can use the CLR family of languages on Linux and OSX. But none of this has anything to do with cool demos like debugging executables running inside docker. That's a whole different and really cool thing they were working on.
      - acqq 11y ago
        But which OS is run in the Docker? If Linux, then I've only seen ASP.NET 5 via Mono. Core CLR is a runtime library, Roslyn a compiler, but can they be used on Linux at all and are they enough? According to the material I've linked, it's Mono for ASP.NET 5 on Linux. How do you think it's done? I understand they debug the instances from a Windows 10, but what runs in the instances? "C#" must run on something, if the instances are Linux, how then C# runs in their examples?
        KirinDave 11y ago
        > but can they be used on Linux at all and are they enough? Yes, certainly. You can use a tool like https://github.com/unosquare/embedio https://github.com/unosquare/embedio the way many java developers do. ASP.NET 5 is not the only option by any means, but if that's your poison then yeah, Mono can do it. > How do you think it's done? I suspect there are opened ports for a remote debugging, but maybe it's even fancier. Docker and MS have been working together for the better part of a year.
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cwyers 11y ago
We used to just call clickbaity headlines "headlines," and the entire point of them is to be concise and get you to read the whole article.
- galago 11y ago
  I think we called them 'titles' or 'misleading titles'. Magazines with the article titles on the front would do this and I think it was distinctly different from say, a newspaper where the article started right below the headline. The magazine is actually hoping you don't see any of the article before you've bought the magazine (and possibly seen ads.)
- Bud 11y ago
  No, we didn't. We called them misleading.
- cma 11y ago
  Those were called tabloid-style headlines.

alexkavon 11y ago

MS devkit? Like this: https://msdn.microsoft.com/library/windows/apps/br211377.aspx https://msdn.microsoft.com/library/windows/apps/br211377.asp...

KirinDave 11y ago
C#, F#, JavaScript, TypeScript, and their development toolchain. Every Surface Book ships with in-the-box high performance virtualization (although Linux support for being a client OS for high performance networking is a bit spotty). They're doing things like demoing debugging C# executables running inside docker containers on Linux, from Visual Studio in the host Win10 VM. Additional heresy incoming: Powershell is extremely good as well, although a very different vision of the world than bash and its successors.
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- acqq 11y ago
  I didn't understand what was behind your second paragraph, my searches lead me to: https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/dn879354.aspx https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/dn879354.aspx "Mono: The Mono CLR enables you to develop and run ASP.NET 5 apps on a Mac or Linux device."
  - KirinDave 11y ago
    Mono is an open source initiative that is not what I was referring to. Please check out https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr https://github.com/dotnet/coreclr and https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn https://github.com/dotnet/roslyn and check the licenses of both. Mono has been lifting large chunks of the MS .NET core libraries over to their implementation because MS has done a lot of work on performance. You can download a Microsoft published source code, and build it, so that you can use the CLR family of languages on Linux and OSX. But none of this has anything to do with cool demos like debugging executables running inside docker. That's a whole different and really cool thing they were working on.
    - acqq 11y ago
      But which OS is run in the Docker? If Linux, then I've only seen ASP.NET 5 via Mono. Core CLR is a runtime library, Roslyn a compiler, but can they be used on Linux at all and are they enough? According to the material I've linked, it's Mono for ASP.NET 5 on Linux. How do you think it's done? I understand they debug the instances from a Windows 10, but what runs in the instances? "C#" must run on something, if the instances are Linux, how then C# runs in their examples?
      - KirinDave 11y ago
        > but can they be used on Linux at all and are they enough? Yes, certainly. You can use a tool like https://github.com/unosquare/embedio https://github.com/unosquare/embedio the way many java developers do. ASP.NET 5 is not the only option by any means, but if that's your poison then yeah, Mono can do it. > How do you think it's done? I suspect there are opened ports for a remote debugging, but maybe it's even fancier. Docker and MS have been working together for the better part of a year.
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cwyers 11y ago

We used to just call clickbaity headlines "headlines," and the entire point of them is to be concise and get you to read the whole article.

galago 11y ago
I think we called them 'titles' or 'misleading titles'. Magazines with the article titles on the front would do this and I think it was distinctly different from say, a newspaper where the article started right below the headline. The magazine is actually hoping you don't see any of the article before you've bought the magazine (and possibly seen ads.)
Bud 11y ago
No, we didn't. We called them misleading.
cma 11y ago
Those were called tabloid-style headlines.