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There are millions starving in Syria vs thousands who managed to get out of ISIS and Assads bombings into Calais. Right now the UN is low on money. What would

by seivan 11y ago

There are millions starving in Syria vs thousands who managed to get out of ISIS and Assads bombings into Calais. Right now the UN is low on money. What would you do? Keep in mind resources are finite and the resources to help per person is cheaper closer to Syria.

vlehto 11y ago
Also housing, feeding and clothing people in EU right now creates pressure for refugees. Which means means people drowning in Mediterranean. Not taking incentives into account often results exacerbating the problem. Like in India children get their arms chopped off. So they would get more pity and money while begging for Mafia. "Road to hell is pawed with good intentions"
- ZenoArrow 11y ago
  > ""Road to hell is pawed with good intentions"" There are no good intentions causing problems here, Western governments are deliberately destabilising their country, we have a moral responsibility to help the refugees that escaped as a result.
  - seivan 11y ago
    Their country? who is They? Who is western? It's Assad, Iran and Turkey. We used to tell people to stop reading Fox news, now I feel like Vox and The Guardian is at play here. Maybe you should talk to "they" who still are in those countries.
    - ZenoArrow 11y ago
      > "Maybe you should talk to "they" who still are in those countries." Before we talk about what's going on in Iraq and Syria, take a look at what happened in Libya, and explain to me the purpose of this bombing campaign. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fRS5C0Ko2eM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fRS5C0Ko2eM
    - elthran 11y ago
      I have similar feelings about the Grauniad. It's Fox News, albeit much better written and more journalistic, for the opposite side of the political spectrum. I'll still read their food sections though, at least while they have Jay Rayner writing for them.
  - vlehto 11y ago
    If you are talking about U.S. actually going into Syria, picking orphaned children and maimed people. Then fly them to U.S. proper, provide for them and educate them? I could not agree more. And if U.S. does this to lets say 10k people, EU should take another 10K. This would not solve any real problem in the Middle east, but it would be very noble gesture. But that would be pretty much opposite to what is happening in Europe right now. The people get help who prioritize themselves. Weak are left behind.
    - ZenoArrow 11y ago
      I'm saying that those in charge know that bombing the country is ineffective against ISIS, but they do it anyway. Why would they do it if they know it's ineffective? As for flying in to save civilians, I'm all for it, but let's stop dropping bombs on them first.

by seivan 11y ago

vlehto 11y ago

Also housing, feeding and clothing people in EU right now creates pressure for refugees. Which means means people drowning in Mediterranean. Not taking incentives into account often results exacerbating the problem. Like in India children get their arms chopped off. So they would get more pity and money while begging for Mafia. "Road to hell is pawed with good intentions"

ZenoArrow 11y ago
> ""Road to hell is pawed with good intentions"" There are no good intentions causing problems here, Western governments are deliberately destabilising their country, we have a moral responsibility to help the refugees that escaped as a result.
- seivan 11y ago
  Their country? who is They? Who is western? It's Assad, Iran and Turkey. We used to tell people to stop reading Fox news, now I feel like Vox and The Guardian is at play here. Maybe you should talk to "they" who still are in those countries.
  - ZenoArrow 11y ago
    > "Maybe you should talk to "they" who still are in those countries." Before we talk about what's going on in Iraq and Syria, take a look at what happened in Libya, and explain to me the purpose of this bombing campaign. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fRS5C0Ko2eM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fRS5C0Ko2eM
  - elthran 11y ago
    I have similar feelings about the Grauniad. It's Fox News, albeit much better written and more journalistic, for the opposite side of the political spectrum. I'll still read their food sections though, at least while they have Jay Rayner writing for them.
- vlehto 11y ago
  If you are talking about U.S. actually going into Syria, picking orphaned children and maimed people. Then fly them to U.S. proper, provide for them and educate them? I could not agree more. And if U.S. does this to lets say 10k people, EU should take another 10K. This would not solve any real problem in the Middle east, but it would be very noble gesture. But that would be pretty much opposite to what is happening in Europe right now. The people get help who prioritize themselves. Weak are left behind.
  - ZenoArrow 11y ago
    I'm saying that those in charge know that bombing the country is ineffective against ISIS, but they do it anyway. Why would they do it if they know it's ineffective? As for flying in to save civilians, I'm all for it, but let's stop dropping bombs on them first.