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If people would have the patience of building a habit using such apps, there wouldn't be a friction problem. Time spent on FaceInstaSnapCrush is also manual lab

by tdkl 11y ago

If people would have the patience of building a habit using such apps, there wouldn't be a friction problem. Time spent on FaceInstaSnapCrush is also manual labour, but so much more fun. /s

vinceguidry 11y ago
If they had the patience to use an app, they would have already built workflows to do it without apps. My grandfather uses ledger books, pen and paper. I used to think there was a large enough market of people in between the already organized, like my grandfather, and those who can't organize, period, like my sister. People who, if they just had the right app and could be convinced to put in some minimal amount of effort, could get organized. Now I realize that software is the wrong tool for the job.
- tdkl 11y ago
  > they would have already built workflows to do it without apps I'd argue that the effort and workflow used without apps is larger then with them. So if someone can't be bothered to even use the apps, it most certainly isn't doing it "oldschool". > My grandfather uses ledger books, pen and paper. Well he had to do it manually before the age of the smartphone (and when people had more patience).Your grandfather would also probably find carrying a point and shoot camera and a map around to make sense.
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- RightWingRabble 11y ago
  > Now I realize that software is the wrong tool for the job. tl;dr: most productivity apps are marketed to disorganized people. I say target the already organized and make their lives easier by automating all the things. For getting lazy or disorganized people organized, yes, that's going to take more than software. But, there may still be a market for taking the result of the manual process (like the one your grandfather uses with ledger books) and digitizing it. For example, "whitelines link" are notebooks that make it easier to digitize written data cleanly by taking a picture of it. Evernote (or any competent OCR program) could then turn that clean digitized version into text. From there, all the data could be organized, broken down by category, etc. You could automatically generate any number of reports based on that information and, most importantly, it's all backed up in case something unfortunate happens to the physical ledger.

by tdkl 11y ago

If people would have the patience of building a habit using such apps, there wouldn't be a friction problem. Time spent on FaceInstaSnapCrush is also manual labour, but so much more fun. /s

vinceguidry 11y ago

If they had the patience to use an app, they would have already built workflows to do it without apps. My grandfather uses ledger books, pen and paper. I used to think there was a large enough market of people in between the already organized, like my grandfather, and those who can't organize, period, like my sister. People who, if they just had the right app and could be convinced to put in some minimal amount of effort, could get organized. Now I realize that software is the wrong tool for the job.

tdkl 11y ago
> they would have already built workflows to do it without apps I'd argue that the effort and workflow used without apps is larger then with them. So if someone can't be bothered to even use the apps, it most certainly isn't doing it "oldschool". > My grandfather uses ledger books, pen and paper. Well he had to do it manually before the age of the smartphone (and when people had more patience).Your grandfather would also probably find carrying a point and shoot camera and a map around to make sense.
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RightWingRabble 11y ago
> Now I realize that software is the wrong tool for the job. tl;dr: most productivity apps are marketed to disorganized people. I say target the already organized and make their lives easier by automating all the things. For getting lazy or disorganized people organized, yes, that's going to take more than software. But, there may still be a market for taking the result of the manual process (like the one your grandfather uses with ledger books) and digitizing it. For example, "whitelines link" are notebooks that make it easier to digitize written data cleanly by taking a picture of it. Evernote (or any competent OCR program) could then turn that clean digitized version into text. From there, all the data could be organized, broken down by category, etc. You could automatically generate any number of reports based on that information and, most importantly, it's all backed up in case something unfortunate happens to the physical ledger.