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As an Indian, I doubt I'll qualify for work in these companies. The problem for non-EU, non-US devs wishing to work remotely [1] is that most companies can't le

by ameen 11y ago

As an Indian, I doubt I'll qualify for work in these companies. The problem for non-EU, non-US devs wishing to work remotely [1] is that most companies can't legally employ you or aren't willing to jump through bureaucratic hoops just to employ you. I'd subscribed to a remote-only jobs board and the issue was that either I didn't qualify for work due to my residency, or the company never really responded. I would say if these issues didn't exist most companies wouldn't have to import a workforce from elsewhere. Most third-world countries have a decent quality of life that we wouldn't have to transplant ourselves & be harassed by less-qualified xenophobic residents just to work and pay obscene taxes (by third-world standards) that in the end does serve them. I'd love for the EU and the US to become more Anti-immigrant (thankfully it's rising) and for the populace to wake up once the industries that kept them at the top move out of there. [1] - Most of us speak fluent English and are aware of western cultural sensibilities & work ethics (thanks, Hollywood! & outsourcing firms). Our skill level isn't to blame either since we adhere to industry standards in code-quality, best practices, design patterns, etc. I'm Westernized, loved America & the U.K. when I visited them and the people were awesome, but thanks to nationalities and nationalists the U.S. has imposed these arbitrary impediments designed to keep away those willing to move from their native countries to further their careers.

foxpc 11y ago
Do you live in EU and think that you won't qualify? Or are you living in India and complaining that you won't qualify to work in companies that are expecting people from EU to contact them?
- ameen 11y ago
  This is a newsletter that picks job listings from remote working job boards (mostly WeWorkRemotely), based on timezones, not nationality.
codegeek 11y ago
"become more Anti-immigrant (thankfully it's rising)" That is not very nice of you. Sure everyone wants the best options for their careers no matter where they are, but don't say these things loosely. I live in America and to be honest, it is still one of the most immigrant friendly countries in the world. Yes they have difficult and archaic immigration rules which need to be improved. If you are truly good, then companies from the US will hire you remotely. I know that it is possible even though a bit more difficult. A lot of tech companies have opened local offices in India and they pay really well.
- ameen 11y ago
  Sorry you couldn't detect my sarcasm. But it's disheartening to see U.S. of all places succumb to such stuff [1]. U.S. was built on enterprising immigrants who made it the country it currently is. No other country could then stake a claim to be a melting pot of the world nor could they dominate in so many industries. Software Engineering elsewhere is just following the lead established by American companies. I work with Startups more often than with established companies (I work with interdisciplinary teams) and for a fledgling startup to onboard a remote employee is risky. [1] - When a leading Presidential candidate wants to block you from entering the country because of your faith, I'd say most others would resort to stronger words.
  - impostervt 11y ago
    The US has been anti-immigrant for pretty much it's entire history. Whether you were Irish, Polish, Chinese, Catholic, Mexican, Jewish, Muslim, whatever - at some point, a vocal group of Americans didn't want you to come here. But people came anyway. And they made it work. I can't think of any other country on Earth that is as diverse as the US.
    - kohanz 11y ago
      > I can't think of any other country on Earth that is as diverse as the US. The U.S. is actually not that diverse. It's middle-of-the-road in that category (ethnically [0] and culturally [1]). In fact, both of its neighboring countries are rated higher. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/16/a-revealing-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-ethnically-diverse-countries/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/16... [1] http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/18/the-most-and-least-culturally-diverse-countries-in-the-world/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/18/the-most-and...
    - curun1r 11y ago
      There's two examples of immigrants that came here without strong opposition. The initial immigrants from Europe (which didn't work out so well for the indigenous population) and African slaves (which didn't work out so well for the population entering the country). It's always seemed to me that part of the American culture is a determination that comes partly from the mentality of immigrating despite the objections of the people already here. The people who needed to be welcomed stayed in their own countries and the headstrong people who just didn't care came to the US. It almost America's version of fraternity hazing or that hellish 201 course that winnows the field down to just those willing to endure unpleasantness to achieve their goals.
dkns 11y ago
> be harassed by less-qualified xenophobic residents Nice generalization. > pay obscene taxes I quickly skimmed the wikipedia article about taxes in India and it seems like if you were to earn as much as companies in Europe are paying for developers you would be either in 30% bracket or 20% bracket. 30% is more than I pay and I live in Europe. Doesn't seem obscene to me.
- ameen 11y ago
  I have family in the U.K. and the U.S., and my family members in the U.K. have been told "to go back home" when they've been born & raised in that country. Could be a generalisation but one which my family has experienced. Honestly surprised that you pay lesser taxes than us. Not sure which country you're from. I expected the EU to have similar tax brackets. My tax rant was more to do with the fact that taxes contribute to the very citizens' that complain. Also taxes in India are a lower amount comparatively because it's base salaries and CoL is much lower to begin with. A SE with Google or Amazon India makes about ~ $24,000.
  - dkns 11y ago
    > Could be a generalisation What's the total number of people your family had contact with vs number of people that told them 'to go back home'? > but one which my family has experienced. To quote hn favorite "The plural of anecdote is not data".
Inthenameofmine 11y ago
While I definitely don't agree with this sentiment > I'd love for the EU and the US to become more Anti-immigrant (thankfully it's rising) I definitely agree with everything else you just said. I'm a Swiss citizen, Swiss born and raised, US educated, but my parents are not from Switzerland, and my name is not Swiss. I look as European as anybody else. I couldn't even get a data entry job in Switzerland dammit. The US companies where asking for relocation, and if remote only at a 3-4x lower salary. I can't stand the US car culture (I'm a walkable city guy) so relocation was not an option for me. Ended up doing a startup in my parent's home country. Fully bootstrapped, great revenue, great quality of life. 10-15% income tax. With global health insurance, superb quality of life, walkable cities, cheap everything, no discrimination against you... Why would anybody want to move to the EU or US nowadays?
- klunger 11y ago
  Hmm. There are many reasons why you might not want to relocate to the US, but car culture should not be one of them. Depending on the city, it is entirely possible (nay, often preferable) to live without a car. See https://www.walkscore.com/ https://www.walkscore.com/ and try typing in various cities or zip codes.
  - Inthenameofmine 11y ago
    I've been to every major US city. Compared to European or most Asian cities they are simply not walkable. Notable semi-exceptions might be Downtown SF, Manhattan, and Vancouver in Canada. But all of them have serious drawbacks when it comes to public transportation and rent prices.
- theunixbeard 11y ago
  What is your home country? As a digital nomad I am always on the lookout for great quality-of-living : cost-of-living ratios!
  - Inthenameofmine 11y ago
    Any South Eastern Europe coast city does it really. I personally like nature and silence every now and then so I stay at Albanian Riviera Villages May-July and Mid-September-October. If you know the young scene and make friends quickly, as a digital nomad Prishtina, Split, Belgrade are also awesome. Try Istanbul if you really like a lively city.
it_learnses 11y ago
I am a developer living in Canada (emigrated from India a long time ago) and I have heard of and seen many outsourcing horror stories. So I wouldn't say most Indians adhere to "industry standards" in code-quality, etc. They are just in it to make money and many times do a very shitty job. Also, communicating with them isn't very easy. Most Indians think they speak fluent English, but I would say in my experience it's business level, not fluent. And ditto for cultural sensibilities and work ethics. I have first hand experienced many new-comers just flat out lie on their resume to get a job and act like it's not a big deal.
- ameen 11y ago
  I fully agree with what you've said, and unfortunately it's a stereotype permeated by the IT Sweatshops of TCS, Infosys et al. I was brought up in an Urban city, English is the only language I've learnt right from childhood and continue to do so, the language that I'm most fluent in. (yes I can't read or write my native tongue). I do agree that lying on resumes is widespread that some of us (who believe we're upto snuff in our fields) don't bother to bring resumes to job interviews, usually we're contacted by recruiters/hiring teams based on our past projects.
  - cmdkeen 11y ago
    It isn't just lying on resumes, my Indian colleagues have horror stories of the levels of cheating they experienced doing their CS degrees at Indian universities. They all felt they had to do an MSc at a UK university, at huge expense, in order to be validated because those institutions are trusted.
    - ameen 11y ago
      Totally agree, I'm planning a similar route as well (albeit at American institutions). It's sad how stereotypes affect others who don't necessarily conform to them.
  - it_learnses 11y ago
    I grew up in Mumbai as well. You are probably from upper-middle class, so I don't think all Mumbaikars would classify as learning English as the only language. I think you are in the minority. I'm going off on a tangent here, but even if English is the only language you speak, it doesn't necessarily make you fluent at communicating with Americans, because you aren't necessarily exposed to the same cultural and linguistic nuances. This can often lead to a lot of miscommunication. I have met many Indians who are fluent in English and it's the "only thing" they speak and they wear it as a badge with pride. Ironically, these people are worse than the people who are not as fluent in English because they tend to speak English at extremely high speeds as if they are reciting something, which makes it just as hard to understand. And combine that with an accent, and you've lost all the advantage you have as a "native" English speaker.
alwaysAttending 11y ago
Yes, what a shame it would be for you to have to pay 1st world standard of taxes. I mean, clearly India has it all figured out on how to build a functional society without such an obscene tax burden.
saiya-jin 11y ago
a rather selfish approach to keep things polite. - you want us to be more xenophobic, but in the same time steal local jobs for yourself, with our pay, but your local expenses. just WOW - there are specific laws to prevent what you want to do, at least in some cases. it's called protection of local market, and a very good think to do, helps economy long term. - again, xenophobic WHAT? I sit in 1 row here with Swiss, British (err... Scotch), Belgian, Kiwi, Chinese, French, Dutch, Ukrainian, Indian, Philippino etc. No issues whatsoever. - you have a naive view of how good remote Indian resources are. technical skills happen to be OK in many cases, but all remaining, and at least EQUALLY necessary are not. 0 initiative, 0 willingness to take any risk/personal responsibility for decisions. "please hand me over perfect spec and I'll get it done" is nice, but doesn't work in world without perfect spec, or any spec at all. Plus Bangalore is not cheap anymore, Pune is so-so. Eastern Europe wins so far in price/value ratio. and I could go on and on... one strongly suspect troll there :)
- dvdcxn 11y ago
  >err... Scotch Wouldn't recommend calling us Scots "Scotch". We're not whisky ;)
  - czbond 11y ago
    Thanks for the morning chuckle....
  - ameen 11y ago
    Isn't British inoffensive to Scots? Odd he decided to bundle an entire nation with whiskey :P
    - arethuza 11y ago
      I think people in the UK who refer to themselves as "British" are actually in the minority - most people I know would say they are English, Scottish etc.
      - deleted 11y ago
bogomipz 11y ago
Firstly I don't think most of the EU or US companies "have to import a workforce." We have plenty of skilled workers. You are very delusional. Bureaucracy is everywhere, probably one of the worst bureaucracies I have witnessed was in India. I would like to go live and work in Japan but guess what? I can't and I don't feel entitled that I should be able to. As far as your comment about "we wouldn't have to transplant ourselves and be harassed by less-qualified xenophobic residents." Guess what you don't have to. Don't come. Your comments are offensive and prejudiced. With an attitude like that it's maybe not very surprising that you haven't had much luck speaking with companies.
- blub 11y ago
  If what you say is true, why do do many EU and US tech companies go through the effort of finding, interviewing and relocating foreign workers? Just for kicks? It looks to me that you got upset by the parent's unrestrained comment and pushed back in the same spirit.
  - ameen 11y ago
    I don't blame him to be honest. My comment was indeed unrestrained but not untrue. P.S. I'd like to get in touch with you if possible.
- netcan 11y ago
  I think you may be reading malice or prejudice that isn't here brother (or sister): "loved America & the U.K. when I visited them and the people were awesome.. .." I have been an immigrant in a bunch of places. Most people are awesome, especially personally. Some people are xenophobic, especially politically. IE, when people are thinking politically and abstractly abstractly about migrants they tend more towards xenophobia. The place where you feel this most is at the immigration office where they make you feel unwanted and make sure you know you know you are owed nothing. Also when the politicians talk. Anyway… Who says you shouldn't feel entitled to live peacefully and lawfully anywhere? These rules didn't come with the world. We made them. There have been different rules in different times and places. Should you feel entitled to leave any country you want? How about internal migration, like moving from New York to Minnesota? How about changing profession? None of these were rights until and unless we made them rights.
DominikR 11y ago
> and pay obscene taxes (by third-world standards) that in the end does serve them. Of course, that is the whole point. It has to serve our economy primarily. No one is against India having it's own strong economy, why would anyone, but it is not our business to improve your economy. It sounds harsh but no one except your own people will improve your economy. You do it yourselves or no one will. > I'd love for the EU and the US to become more Anti-immigrant (thankfully it's rising) and for the populace to wake up once the industries that kept them at the top move out of there. Why would you wish that there is more anti-immigrant sentiment or even worse racism? (that sadly is happening right now) Aside from that your logic is faulty. These businesses move somewhere else because our business elite decides so and the legal framework for doing so is set up by our political elites and guess what: It is done in a way to primarily improve our own economies or our political power. If the political elite doesn't like something about the policies of country X they will put sanctions in place and our business elite will (with a few exceptions) follow. > I'm Westernized, loved America & the U.K. when I visited them and the people were awesome, but thanks to nationalities and nationalists the U.S. has imposed these arbitrary impediments designed to keep away those willing to move from their native countries to further their careers. We are nation states with citizenships and borders. All of our states primarily serve their own citizens, not others. There is no human right allowing me to live in Monaco, Tokyo or New Dheli just because I want to further my career. The only exception is asylum for persons that are threatened in their own countries, but aside from that there is no obligation whatsoever.
ramblerman 11y ago
As a slightly bitter 'European' I would welcome you in a heartbeat. The real problem (for us) is that the quality of immigrants differs by a very large margin. Countries like France and Belgium (where I have lived) rather let in the first 10,000 applicants vs the best 10,000. The US is far far better in that regards with Canada probably being the best example imo.
orthoganol 11y ago
Sorry, but what part of the world isn't anti-immigrant? In my experience, the East, esp. India, China, Japan, the Arab world are extraordinarily more anti-immigrant with more entrenched race-based outlooks than the US. How is there no cognitive dissonance being from an incredibly racist society yet scoffing at the US for not opening the doors to immigrant workers more? It's not the US - it's the world we live in, and the US is not close to the worst.
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thescriptkiddie 11y ago
Forgive my ignorance, but could you elaborate or link to a source on the legal difficulties of working remotely?

by ameen 11y ago

foxpc 11y ago

Do you live in EU and think that you won't qualify? Or are you living in India and complaining that you won't qualify to work in companies that are expecting people from EU to contact them?

ameen 11y ago
This is a newsletter that picks job listings from remote working job boards (mostly WeWorkRemotely), based on timezones, not nationality.

codegeek 11y ago

"become more Anti-immigrant (thankfully it's rising)" That is not very nice of you. Sure everyone wants the best options for their careers no matter where they are, but don't say these things loosely. I live in America and to be honest, it is still one of the most immigrant friendly countries in the world. Yes they have difficult and archaic immigration rules which need to be improved. If you are truly good, then companies from the US will hire you remotely. I know that it is possible even though a bit more difficult. A lot of tech companies have opened local offices in India and they pay really well.

ameen 11y ago
Sorry you couldn't detect my sarcasm. But it's disheartening to see U.S. of all places succumb to such stuff [1]. U.S. was built on enterprising immigrants who made it the country it currently is. No other country could then stake a claim to be a melting pot of the world nor could they dominate in so many industries. Software Engineering elsewhere is just following the lead established by American companies. I work with Startups more often than with established companies (I work with interdisciplinary teams) and for a fledgling startup to onboard a remote employee is risky. [1] - When a leading Presidential candidate wants to block you from entering the country because of your faith, I'd say most others would resort to stronger words.
- impostervt 11y ago
  The US has been anti-immigrant for pretty much it's entire history. Whether you were Irish, Polish, Chinese, Catholic, Mexican, Jewish, Muslim, whatever - at some point, a vocal group of Americans didn't want you to come here. But people came anyway. And they made it work. I can't think of any other country on Earth that is as diverse as the US.
  - kohanz 11y ago
    > I can't think of any other country on Earth that is as diverse as the US. The U.S. is actually not that diverse. It's middle-of-the-road in that category (ethnically [0] and culturally [1]). In fact, both of its neighboring countries are rated higher. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/16/a-revealing-map-of-the-worlds-most-and-least-ethnically-diverse-countries/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2013/05/16... [1] http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/18/the-most-and-least-culturally-diverse-countries-in-the-world/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/07/18/the-most-and...
  - curun1r 11y ago
    There's two examples of immigrants that came here without strong opposition. The initial immigrants from Europe (which didn't work out so well for the indigenous population) and African slaves (which didn't work out so well for the population entering the country). It's always seemed to me that part of the American culture is a determination that comes partly from the mentality of immigrating despite the objections of the people already here. The people who needed to be welcomed stayed in their own countries and the headstrong people who just didn't care came to the US. It almost America's version of fraternity hazing or that hellish 201 course that winnows the field down to just those willing to endure unpleasantness to achieve their goals.

dkns 11y ago

> be harassed by less-qualified xenophobic residents Nice generalization. > pay obscene taxes I quickly skimmed the wikipedia article about taxes in India and it seems like if you were to earn as much as companies in Europe are paying for developers you would be either in 30% bracket or 20% bracket. 30% is more than I pay and I live in Europe. Doesn't seem obscene to me.

ameen 11y ago
I have family in the U.K. and the U.S., and my family members in the U.K. have been told "to go back home" when they've been born & raised in that country. Could be a generalisation but one which my family has experienced. Honestly surprised that you pay lesser taxes than us. Not sure which country you're from. I expected the EU to have similar tax brackets. My tax rant was more to do with the fact that taxes contribute to the very citizens' that complain. Also taxes in India are a lower amount comparatively because it's base salaries and CoL is much lower to begin with. A SE with Google or Amazon India makes about ~ $24,000.
- dkns 11y ago
  > Could be a generalisation What's the total number of people your family had contact with vs number of people that told them 'to go back home'? > but one which my family has experienced. To quote hn favorite "The plural of anecdote is not data".

Inthenameofmine 11y ago

While I definitely don't agree with this sentiment > I'd love for the EU and the US to become more Anti-immigrant (thankfully it's rising) I definitely agree with everything else you just said. I'm a Swiss citizen, Swiss born and raised, US educated, but my parents are not from Switzerland, and my name is not Swiss. I look as European as anybody else. I couldn't even get a data entry job in Switzerland dammit. The US companies where asking for relocation, and if remote only at a 3-4x lower salary. I can't stand the US car culture (I'm a walkable city guy) so relocation was not an option for me. Ended up doing a startup in my parent's home country. Fully bootstrapped, great revenue, great quality of life. 10-15% income tax. With global health insurance, superb quality of life, walkable cities, cheap everything, no discrimination against you... Why would anybody want to move to the EU or US nowadays?

klunger 11y ago
Hmm. There are many reasons why you might not want to relocate to the US, but car culture should not be one of them. Depending on the city, it is entirely possible (nay, often preferable) to live without a car. See https://www.walkscore.com/ https://www.walkscore.com/ and try typing in various cities or zip codes.
- Inthenameofmine 11y ago
  I've been to every major US city. Compared to European or most Asian cities they are simply not walkable. Notable semi-exceptions might be Downtown SF, Manhattan, and Vancouver in Canada. But all of them have serious drawbacks when it comes to public transportation and rent prices.
theunixbeard 11y ago
What is your home country? As a digital nomad I am always on the lookout for great quality-of-living : cost-of-living ratios!
- Inthenameofmine 11y ago
  Any South Eastern Europe coast city does it really. I personally like nature and silence every now and then so I stay at Albanian Riviera Villages May-July and Mid-September-October. If you know the young scene and make friends quickly, as a digital nomad Prishtina, Split, Belgrade are also awesome. Try Istanbul if you really like a lively city.

it_learnses 11y ago

I am a developer living in Canada (emigrated from India a long time ago) and I have heard of and seen many outsourcing horror stories. So I wouldn't say most Indians adhere to "industry standards" in code-quality, etc. They are just in it to make money and many times do a very shitty job. Also, communicating with them isn't very easy. Most Indians think they speak fluent English, but I would say in my experience it's business level, not fluent. And ditto for cultural sensibilities and work ethics. I have first hand experienced many new-comers just flat out lie on their resume to get a job and act like it's not a big deal.

ameen 11y ago
I fully agree with what you've said, and unfortunately it's a stereotype permeated by the IT Sweatshops of TCS, Infosys et al. I was brought up in an Urban city, English is the only language I've learnt right from childhood and continue to do so, the language that I'm most fluent in. (yes I can't read or write my native tongue). I do agree that lying on resumes is widespread that some of us (who believe we're upto snuff in our fields) don't bother to bring resumes to job interviews, usually we're contacted by recruiters/hiring teams based on our past projects.
- cmdkeen 11y ago
  It isn't just lying on resumes, my Indian colleagues have horror stories of the levels of cheating they experienced doing their CS degrees at Indian universities. They all felt they had to do an MSc at a UK university, at huge expense, in order to be validated because those institutions are trusted.
  - ameen 11y ago
    Totally agree, I'm planning a similar route as well (albeit at American institutions). It's sad how stereotypes affect others who don't necessarily conform to them.
- it_learnses 11y ago
  I grew up in Mumbai as well. You are probably from upper-middle class, so I don't think all Mumbaikars would classify as learning English as the only language. I think you are in the minority. I'm going off on a tangent here, but even if English is the only language you speak, it doesn't necessarily make you fluent at communicating with Americans, because you aren't necessarily exposed to the same cultural and linguistic nuances. This can often lead to a lot of miscommunication. I have met many Indians who are fluent in English and it's the "only thing" they speak and they wear it as a badge with pride. Ironically, these people are worse than the people who are not as fluent in English because they tend to speak English at extremely high speeds as if they are reciting something, which makes it just as hard to understand. And combine that with an accent, and you've lost all the advantage you have as a "native" English speaker.

alwaysAttending 11y ago

Yes, what a shame it would be for you to have to pay 1st world standard of taxes. I mean, clearly India has it all figured out on how to build a functional society without such an obscene tax burden.

saiya-jin 11y ago

a rather selfish approach to keep things polite. - you want us to be more xenophobic, but in the same time steal local jobs for yourself, with our pay, but your local expenses. just WOW - there are specific laws to prevent what you want to do, at least in some cases. it's called protection of local market, and a very good think to do, helps economy long term. - again, xenophobic WHAT? I sit in 1 row here with Swiss, British (err... Scotch), Belgian, Kiwi, Chinese, French, Dutch, Ukrainian, Indian, Philippino etc. No issues whatsoever. - you have a naive view of how good remote Indian resources are. technical skills happen to be OK in many cases, but all remaining, and at least EQUALLY necessary are not. 0 initiative, 0 willingness to take any risk/personal responsibility for decisions. "please hand me over perfect spec and I'll get it done" is nice, but doesn't work in world without perfect spec, or any spec at all. Plus Bangalore is not cheap anymore, Pune is so-so. Eastern Europe wins so far in price/value ratio. and I could go on and on... one strongly suspect troll there :)

dvdcxn 11y ago
>err... Scotch Wouldn't recommend calling us Scots "Scotch". We're not whisky ;)
- czbond 11y ago
  Thanks for the morning chuckle....
- ameen 11y ago
  Isn't British inoffensive to Scots? Odd he decided to bundle an entire nation with whiskey :P
  - arethuza 11y ago
    I think people in the UK who refer to themselves as "British" are actually in the minority - most people I know would say they are English, Scottish etc.
    - deleted 11y ago

bogomipz 11y ago

Firstly I don't think most of the EU or US companies "have to import a workforce." We have plenty of skilled workers. You are very delusional. Bureaucracy is everywhere, probably one of the worst bureaucracies I have witnessed was in India. I would like to go live and work in Japan but guess what? I can't and I don't feel entitled that I should be able to. As far as your comment about "we wouldn't have to transplant ourselves and be harassed by less-qualified xenophobic residents." Guess what you don't have to. Don't come. Your comments are offensive and prejudiced. With an attitude like that it's maybe not very surprising that you haven't had much luck speaking with companies.

blub 11y ago
If what you say is true, why do do many EU and US tech companies go through the effort of finding, interviewing and relocating foreign workers? Just for kicks? It looks to me that you got upset by the parent's unrestrained comment and pushed back in the same spirit.
- ameen 11y ago
  I don't blame him to be honest. My comment was indeed unrestrained but not untrue. P.S. I'd like to get in touch with you if possible.
netcan 11y ago
I think you may be reading malice or prejudice that isn't here brother (or sister): "loved America & the U.K. when I visited them and the people were awesome.. .." I have been an immigrant in a bunch of places. Most people are awesome, especially personally. Some people are xenophobic, especially politically. IE, when people are thinking politically and abstractly abstractly about migrants they tend more towards xenophobia. The place where you feel this most is at the immigration office where they make you feel unwanted and make sure you know you know you are owed nothing. Also when the politicians talk. Anyway… Who says you shouldn't feel entitled to live peacefully and lawfully anywhere? These rules didn't come with the world. We made them. There have been different rules in different times and places. Should you feel entitled to leave any country you want? How about internal migration, like moving from New York to Minnesota? How about changing profession? None of these were rights until and unless we made them rights.

DominikR 11y ago

> and pay obscene taxes (by third-world standards) that in the end does serve them. Of course, that is the whole point. It has to serve our economy primarily. No one is against India having it's own strong economy, why would anyone, but it is not our business to improve your economy. It sounds harsh but no one except your own people will improve your economy. You do it yourselves or no one will. > I'd love for the EU and the US to become more Anti-immigrant (thankfully it's rising) and for the populace to wake up once the industries that kept them at the top move out of there. Why would you wish that there is more anti-immigrant sentiment or even worse racism? (that sadly is happening right now) Aside from that your logic is faulty. These businesses move somewhere else because our business elite decides so and the legal framework for doing so is set up by our political elites and guess what: It is done in a way to primarily improve our own economies or our political power. If the political elite doesn't like something about the policies of country X they will put sanctions in place and our business elite will (with a few exceptions) follow. > I'm Westernized, loved America & the U.K. when I visited them and the people were awesome, but thanks to nationalities and nationalists the U.S. has imposed these arbitrary impediments designed to keep away those willing to move from their native countries to further their careers. We are nation states with citizenships and borders. All of our states primarily serve their own citizens, not others. There is no human right allowing me to live in Monaco, Tokyo or New Dheli just because I want to further my career. The only exception is asylum for persons that are threatened in their own countries, but aside from that there is no obligation whatsoever.

ramblerman 11y ago

As a slightly bitter 'European' I would welcome you in a heartbeat. The real problem (for us) is that the quality of immigrants differs by a very large margin. Countries like France and Belgium (where I have lived) rather let in the first 10,000 applicants vs the best 10,000. The US is far far better in that regards with Canada probably being the best example imo.

orthoganol 11y ago

Sorry, but what part of the world isn't anti-immigrant? In my experience, the East, esp. India, China, Japan, the Arab world are extraordinarily more anti-immigrant with more entrenched race-based outlooks than the US. How is there no cognitive dissonance being from an incredibly racist society yet scoffing at the US for not opening the doors to immigrant workers more? It's not the US - it's the world we live in, and the US is not close to the worst.

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thescriptkiddie 11y ago

Forgive my ignorance, but could you elaborate or link to a source on the legal difficulties of working remotely?