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JIRA is far from perfect, but in an "enterprise" environment it's far better than most of the piece of $&@? "enterprise" software tools floating around. i.e. "H

JIRA is far from perfect, but in an "enterprise" environment it's far better than most of the piece of $&@? "enterprise" software tools floating around. i.e. "Hey guys check out the new Sharepoint site for this project!" (banging head against wall)

codegeek 11y ago
"Sharepoint site" I just had a flash of old nightmares that I used to get when working with sharepoint sites. Thx for that :)
guiomie 11y ago
Agree, it could be worst. We have Jira bug tracking, Confluence and Jira Agile. Confluence is great, no more sharepoint, we just put all our documentation there. Jira Agile is simply awful, the UI/UX is non-intuive and super hard to understand. That product is definitely there for the enterprise world who is drinking the Agile kool-aid. We started using gitlab at work, sadly we dont track issues in there, but still rely on Jira Agile. GitLab would be a great acquisition for Atlasian.
- willthames 11y ago
  I'm not sure why Atlassian would acquire Gitlab when they already have Stash (which might be called Bitbucket Server now - but either way is a fully fledged Git{la,hu}b competitor)
  - guiomie 11y ago
    Wasn`t aware about that. I'm surprised my team didnt go with that...
    - smarx007 11y ago
      Will just leave it here: http://technologyconversations.com/2015/10/16/github-vs-gitlabs-vs-bitbucket-server-formerly-stash/ http://technologyconversations.com/2015/10/16/github-vs-gitl...
    - lhc- 11y ago
      We use Stash (and Jira and Confluence and a bunch of Agile stuff). Its... ok. Its a lot better than some of the other self-hosted repositories we tried, but there are some rough spots. Pull requests are a lot worse than Github, for example. The integration with Jira can be pretty cool though.
- smarx007 11y ago
  Heaven forbid! Keep enterprise M&A hands off Gitlab!
- jobu 11y ago
  > Jira Agile is simply awful, the UI/UX is non-intuive and super hard to understand. What product would you consider better for Agile? And are you talking Scrum or Kanban style Agile? Over the years I've used and tried a bunch, and Jira Agile (used to be Greenhopper) seemed better than most. My favorite for a (very) small team was actually Trello, but it doesn't scale to larger teams (UI-wise I mean, with more tasks and a bigger backlog).
  - guiomie 11y ago
    I was gonna say Trello, since I work with a small team, or a simple white board with tool tip and manage bugs in gitlab. I can see why Jira Agile is used with bigger team. My team is pretty big, but the projects I am on are usually 2-3 developers, but some other projects they are on average 10 guys. I havent used jira agile much, but everytime i used it, i found it painful (compared to Trello)
einrealist 11y ago
Its hard to define a perfect tool when everyone has even slightly different opinions. For my startup, Jira+Confluence work good enough to keep us organized. And we know that we can change those tools to match our needs. BTW. Atlassian, if you read this: We need a better UI to organize (big) backlogs.
- Ixiaus 11y ago
  Seconded on the big backlogs point. Overall I've been pleased though with the rate of releases for JIRA. It hasn't stagnated like many enterprise offerings.
- uxwtf 11y ago
  Here's my feedback. As a part of a small startup team, I used Jira for years before Github issues and Slack were there. The company I work at right now still uses Atlassian's trio Jira + Hipchat + Bitbucket. They are great tools with lots of features but Jira's productivity is much slower compared to Github issues and Hipchat offers a poor user experience compared to Slack.

codegeek 11y ago

"Sharepoint site" I just had a flash of old nightmares that I used to get when working with sharepoint sites. Thx for that :)

guiomie 11y ago

Agree, it could be worst. We have Jira bug tracking, Confluence and Jira Agile. Confluence is great, no more sharepoint, we just put all our documentation there. Jira Agile is simply awful, the UI/UX is non-intuive and super hard to understand. That product is definitely there for the enterprise world who is drinking the Agile kool-aid. We started using gitlab at work, sadly we dont track issues in there, but still rely on Jira Agile. GitLab would be a great acquisition for Atlasian.

willthames 11y ago
I'm not sure why Atlassian would acquire Gitlab when they already have Stash (which might be called Bitbucket Server now - but either way is a fully fledged Git{la,hu}b competitor)
- guiomie 11y ago
  Wasn`t aware about that. I'm surprised my team didnt go with that...
  - smarx007 11y ago
    Will just leave it here: http://technologyconversations.com/2015/10/16/github-vs-gitlabs-vs-bitbucket-server-formerly-stash/ http://technologyconversations.com/2015/10/16/github-vs-gitl...
  - lhc- 11y ago
    We use Stash (and Jira and Confluence and a bunch of Agile stuff). Its... ok. Its a lot better than some of the other self-hosted repositories we tried, but there are some rough spots. Pull requests are a lot worse than Github, for example. The integration with Jira can be pretty cool though.
smarx007 11y ago
Heaven forbid! Keep enterprise M&A hands off Gitlab!
jobu 11y ago
> Jira Agile is simply awful, the UI/UX is non-intuive and super hard to understand. What product would you consider better for Agile? And are you talking Scrum or Kanban style Agile? Over the years I've used and tried a bunch, and Jira Agile (used to be Greenhopper) seemed better than most. My favorite for a (very) small team was actually Trello, but it doesn't scale to larger teams (UI-wise I mean, with more tasks and a bigger backlog).
- guiomie 11y ago
  I was gonna say Trello, since I work with a small team, or a simple white board with tool tip and manage bugs in gitlab. I can see why Jira Agile is used with bigger team. My team is pretty big, but the projects I am on are usually 2-3 developers, but some other projects they are on average 10 guys. I havent used jira agile much, but everytime i used it, i found it painful (compared to Trello)

einrealist 11y ago

Its hard to define a perfect tool when everyone has even slightly different opinions. For my startup, Jira+Confluence work good enough to keep us organized. And we know that we can change those tools to match our needs. BTW. Atlassian, if you read this: We need a better UI to organize (big) backlogs.

Ixiaus 11y ago
Seconded on the big backlogs point. Overall I've been pleased though with the rate of releases for JIRA. It hasn't stagnated like many enterprise offerings.
uxwtf 11y ago
Here's my feedback. As a part of a small startup team, I used Jira for years before Github issues and Slack were there. The company I work at right now still uses Atlassian's trio Jira + Hipchat + Bitbucket. They are great tools with lots of features but Jira's productivity is much slower compared to Github issues and Hipchat offers a poor user experience compared to Slack.