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Swift is a good language, but compared to things like Python, the syntax is still not as clean and intuitive. It's definitely a much better improvement of Obj

by rw2 11y ago

Swift is a good language, but compared to things like Python, the syntax is still not as clean and intuitive. It's definitely a much better improvement of Obj C and I would have never built 3 apps in the app store without it, but I don't see it going out of the iOS dev environment anytime soon.

jeremy_wiebe 11y ago
I'm not sure that this is completely the same, but when node.js was introduced it provided a server-side programming language that a ton of web developers were familiar with. Swift is doing something similar now that it's open source there is a huge community of iOS (and to a smaller extent Mac) developers who are excited that they can code on other platforms (or will be able to in the near future) using a language they already know and love.
- bsimpson 11y ago
  Honest question: how common are non-GUI Objective-C apps? So far as I know, Objective-C has been available outside of Cocoa for a long time, but you never hear of people using it for non-Mac/iOS apps. Is Swift different in this regard? Is more of the standard library open in Swift vs. in Obj-C? Any reason to expect it's non-Apple uptake will be better than Obj-C?
  - ElvishJerricco 11y ago
    Objective C was poorly supported outside of the Apple ecosystem. Plus Objective C as a language hasn't been all that preferable to most developers. There was basically no reason to use Objective C at all outside of iOS and Mac development. Swift, on the other hand, will now have full Apple support on Linux, and is a much nicer, and potentially more useful language. I think that with some effort on the community's part, it could become a serious contender for server side development.
    - eropple 11y ago
      I tend to agree. I've been using Swift off and on pretty much since its inception, and I like it well enough that I'd consider it for server-side stuff once the ecosystem's worth anything. My hope is that it brings a little sanity to things by presenting a sufficiently trendy alternative to Golang so I can deal with that a little less often (but that's only hoping).
    - ascagnel_ 11y ago
      Coming from some recent experience with Node/JS stuff, it lets you directly re-use some code (namely, data models and code that interfaces directly with them) on both the client and the server. It makes life a lot nicer. Also, OSX isn't used as a server OS for good reason. Swift on Linux means that you can run that shared code in an environment designed around servers.

by rw2 11y ago

jeremy_wiebe 11y ago

I'm not sure that this is completely the same, but when node.js was introduced it provided a server-side programming language that a ton of web developers were familiar with. Swift is doing something similar now that it's open source there is a huge community of iOS (and to a smaller extent Mac) developers who are excited that they can code on other platforms (or will be able to in the near future) using a language they already know and love.

bsimpson 11y ago
Honest question: how common are non-GUI Objective-C apps? So far as I know, Objective-C has been available outside of Cocoa for a long time, but you never hear of people using it for non-Mac/iOS apps. Is Swift different in this regard? Is more of the standard library open in Swift vs. in Obj-C? Any reason to expect it's non-Apple uptake will be better than Obj-C?
- ElvishJerricco 11y ago
  Objective C was poorly supported outside of the Apple ecosystem. Plus Objective C as a language hasn't been all that preferable to most developers. There was basically no reason to use Objective C at all outside of iOS and Mac development. Swift, on the other hand, will now have full Apple support on Linux, and is a much nicer, and potentially more useful language. I think that with some effort on the community's part, it could become a serious contender for server side development.
  - eropple 11y ago
    I tend to agree. I've been using Swift off and on pretty much since its inception, and I like it well enough that I'd consider it for server-side stuff once the ecosystem's worth anything. My hope is that it brings a little sanity to things by presenting a sufficiently trendy alternative to Golang so I can deal with that a little less often (but that's only hoping).
  - ascagnel_ 11y ago
    Coming from some recent experience with Node/JS stuff, it lets you directly re-use some code (namely, data models and code that interfaces directly with them) on both the client and the server. It makes life a lot nicer. Also, OSX isn't used as a server OS for good reason. Swift on Linux means that you can run that shared code in an environment designed around servers.