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Slava @ RethinkDB here. I've never programmed in Clojure (although I spent years programming in Common Lisp), so everything below is what I overheard from the e

Slava @ RethinkDB here. I've never programmed in Clojure (although I spent years programming in Common Lisp), so everything below is what I overheard from the engineers that were looking into this. The official Java driver can be used from a variety of JVM languages and apparently results in a pretty good experience. Segphault is writing a blog post on this, so you'll see lots of examples soon of what the Java driver looks like in various JVM languages. Apparently the only exception to this is Clojure -- you can use the Java driver from Clojure, but idiomatically the experience isn't as good as using native Clojure libraries. We're going to play around with this and figure out what to do about it. One possibility is that someone in the community might write a Clojure wrapper on top of the official Java driver -- this would be way easier than writing a Clojure driver from scratch, and would provide idiomatically appropriate interfaces. I know Aphyr is using clj-rethinkdb for his Jepsen analysis of RethinkDB, and it's working out pretty well, and I know of a few production deployments based on clj-rethinkdb. So another possibility is to invest a little more time/effort into clj-rethinkdb to bring it up to par with official drivers. We should be able to improve the state of affairs in the next few months.

krat0sprakhar 11y ago
Hi Slava! Thanks for the answer. I'm aware of Aphyr's work with Rethinkdb, that's how I found about clj-rethinkdb in the first place. Aphyr is a seasoned clojure programmer, so I'm sure using any library wouldn't be too much of work him. I'm still new to Clojure and compared with the Go/Javascript version of the client, I found it a bit hard to understand (the lack of documentation also doesn't help). There's a high possibility that the reason behind experience is due to the shortcomings in my understanding of clj and not the client itself. In any case, I look forward to seeing what rethinkdb / community does with improving the client. PS: You'd be happy to know that I jumped on the Clojure ship after reading your blogpost[0] about lisp. So thanks for that :) [0] - http://www.defmacro.org/ramblings/lisp.html http://www.defmacro.org/ramblings/lisp.html
- coffeemug 11y ago
  Cool! I think you've identified the problem correctly (using the clj driver is harder for a beginner than some of the other drivers). The solution might involve better docs, more/better code, or some combination of the two. We'll try to get on this as soon as we can!
dantiberian 11y ago
I'm a maintainer of clj-rethinkdb. It makes a ton of sense for clj-rethinkdb to use as much as possible from the Java driver. I might be a bit biased, but I think the query language is really idiomatic for Clojure. The docs could definitely do with some love, I'd appreciate feedback on what else we could do to bring it up to par with the official drivers.
- coffeemug 11y ago
  Slava @ RethinkDB here. Thanks for all your awesome work on the driver!

krat0sprakhar 11y ago

Hi Slava! Thanks for the answer. I'm aware of Aphyr's work with Rethinkdb, that's how I found about clj-rethinkdb in the first place. Aphyr is a seasoned clojure programmer, so I'm sure using any library wouldn't be too much of work him. I'm still new to Clojure and compared with the Go/Javascript version of the client, I found it a bit hard to understand (the lack of documentation also doesn't help). There's a high possibility that the reason behind experience is due to the shortcomings in my understanding of clj and not the client itself. In any case, I look forward to seeing what rethinkdb / community does with improving the client. PS: You'd be happy to know that I jumped on the Clojure ship after reading your blogpost[0] about lisp. So thanks for that :) [0] - http://www.defmacro.org/ramblings/lisp.html http://www.defmacro.org/ramblings/lisp.html

coffeemug 11y ago
Cool! I think you've identified the problem correctly (using the clj driver is harder for a beginner than some of the other drivers). The solution might involve better docs, more/better code, or some combination of the two. We'll try to get on this as soon as we can!

dantiberian 11y ago

I'm a maintainer of clj-rethinkdb. It makes a ton of sense for clj-rethinkdb to use as much as possible from the Java driver. I might be a bit biased, but I think the query language is really idiomatic for Clojure. The docs could definitely do with some love, I'd appreciate feedback on what else we could do to bring it up to par with the official drivers.

coffeemug 11y ago
Slava @ RethinkDB here. Thanks for all your awesome work on the driver!