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Keep telling yourself that... Just because you were able to quit smoking after 20 years, doesn't mean "The dangers are not equivalent, by a long shot". It's ama

Keep telling yourself that... Just because you were able to quit smoking after 20 years, doesn't mean "The dangers are not equivalent, by a long shot". It's amazing to me the kind of mental hoops a person will jump through to validate their behavior.

DanBC 11y ago
DO you have any credible cites to show that vaping e-cigs is anywhere near as harmful as smoking tobacco?
- michaelbuddy 11y ago
  of course he doesn't. That's why he wrote it that way. Trying to gain some moral high ground by being completely full of sh*t.
arbitrage 11y ago
No, that's a false equivocation. It's not the fact that they were able to quit that makes the dangers not equivalent, it's the growing amount of unbiased research that shows that. Sane health care providers and policy experts tend to agree, as well, that harm-reduction is a much more attainable goal. Full on abstinence is routinely shown to be an untenable goal.
notlisted 11y ago
Don't trust me. Trust link #2 (UK government research, Aug 2015, Public Health England, similar to US department of health). Repeated here for your convenience https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e-cigarettes-around-95-less-harmful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e-cigarettes-around-95-le... You can also rely a little bit on common sense: 'analog' cigarettes have tar and everything that results from combustion of tobacco and whatever it's "laced" with. Not the case with e-cigs. Not saying it's safe, but safer. PS If you knew me without nicotine, you'd tell me to get back on it, like my wife did. :-)
- tremon 11y ago
  > If you knew me without nicotine, you'd tell me to get back on it Without nicotine, or without nicotine dependence?
  - joslin01 11y ago
    What's up with the HN community? Do you really not know what he means? Absurd how many users love being pedantic here to try and +1 someone else.
    - tremon 11y ago
      Of course I knew what he meant. I wasn't being pedantic, I was trying to point out that "I'm a horrible person when not on nicotine" probably isn't the GP's natural state. To put it differently, I'm not surprised when people feel worse and act worse when suffering from withdrawal. It just makes me sad when people use that to justify their relapse.
      - notlisted 11y ago
        It's really self-medication for me. Nicotine is what helps me cope with my irritability, partially caused by ADHD. You might laugh at this, but there is actual research that nicotine can help - http://discovermagazine.com/2014/march/13-nicotine-fix http://discovermagazine.com/2014/march/13-nicotine-fix
        tremon 11y ago
        Fair enough. There's also medicinal value in LSD and marihuana, so I'm not going to challenge you on that.

DanBC 11y ago

DO you have any credible cites to show that vaping e-cigs is anywhere near as harmful as smoking tobacco?

michaelbuddy 11y ago
of course he doesn't. That's why he wrote it that way. Trying to gain some moral high ground by being completely full of sh*t.

arbitrage 11y ago

No, that's a false equivocation. It's not the fact that they were able to quit that makes the dangers not equivalent, it's the growing amount of unbiased research that shows that. Sane health care providers and policy experts tend to agree, as well, that harm-reduction is a much more attainable goal. Full on abstinence is routinely shown to be an untenable goal.

notlisted 11y ago

Don't trust me. Trust link #2 (UK government research, Aug 2015, Public Health England, similar to US department of health). Repeated here for your convenience https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e-cigarettes-around-95-less-harmful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review https://www.gov.uk/government/news/e-cigarettes-around-95-le... You can also rely a little bit on common sense: 'analog' cigarettes have tar and everything that results from combustion of tobacco and whatever it's "laced" with. Not the case with e-cigs. Not saying it's safe, but safer. PS If you knew me without nicotine, you'd tell me to get back on it, like my wife did. :-)

tremon 11y ago
> If you knew me without nicotine, you'd tell me to get back on it Without nicotine, or without nicotine dependence?
- joslin01 11y ago
  What's up with the HN community? Do you really not know what he means? Absurd how many users love being pedantic here to try and +1 someone else.
  - tremon 11y ago
    Of course I knew what he meant. I wasn't being pedantic, I was trying to point out that "I'm a horrible person when not on nicotine" probably isn't the GP's natural state. To put it differently, I'm not surprised when people feel worse and act worse when suffering from withdrawal. It just makes me sad when people use that to justify their relapse.
    - notlisted 11y ago
      It's really self-medication for me. Nicotine is what helps me cope with my irritability, partially caused by ADHD. You might laugh at this, but there is actual research that nicotine can help - http://discovermagazine.com/2014/march/13-nicotine-fix http://discovermagazine.com/2014/march/13-nicotine-fix
      - tremon 11y ago
        Fair enough. There's also medicinal value in LSD and marihuana, so I'm not going to challenge you on that.