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Also, after getting girls interested in programming, one of the problems is how to keep them in tech. Currently, over 40% of women leave tech mid-career, which

by userium 11y ago

Also, after getting girls interested in programming, one of the problems is how to keep them in tech. Currently, over 40% of women leave tech mid-career, which is more than double the quit rate for men (https://keepwomen.com/info/aboutus https://keepwomen.com/info/aboutus).

leaveyou 11y ago
The website you linked is deeply discriminatory and offensive to males in tech. "Why do women leave tech?: many women leave tech due to working conditions (low salary, no advancement), work-life balance (too much travelling, commuting) What do women want in the workplace?: flexible working hours, personal development opportunities." What about the males in tech ? They don't deserve better salary and advancements ? They don't deserve work-life balance, flexible hours ? Why don't we help them too ? Everybody wants to help women who leave while they can and no one cares about the males trapped in low paying races to the bottom with no real alternatives. For the low 75% of tech workers it's not help at all that the top 25% earners are all males from Silicon Valley.
- panglott 11y ago
  Are males in tech really so easily offended?
- Retra 11y ago
  Nobody cares? You care, and there's a vocal dozen of you in every thread about the subject.
timje1 11y ago
Programming is an industry where taking a 3-4 year gap is career suicide, because of the constantly shifting practices and technologies. Some women in tech notice this and move away before raising a family crashes their career. Some don't notice this and are forced to shift careers when re-entering the workforce. Both of these outcomes result in a high attrition rate for women programmers. I have no clear solution for this dilemma.
Alex3917 11y ago
40% attrition is still pretty low compared to most industries though. Compare that to business, finance, law, academia, or teaching. And medicine may have a lower attrition rate, but it's not exactly a great career path these days either. Even if the tech industry is better for men than for women, it's probably still the best industry for women in absolute terms.
rasz_pl 11y ago
>40% of women leave tech mid-career because they get pregnant?
ashark 11y ago
What percentage of women leave other professions they're in? What's the difference in those other professions compared with men in the same profession? 40%/~20% could be good for all I know. 40% doesn't seem too far off from what I've observed in the teaching—which is dominated by women—certainly.

by userium 11y ago

leaveyou 11y ago

The website you linked is deeply discriminatory and offensive to males in tech. "Why do women leave tech?: many women leave tech due to working conditions (low salary, no advancement), work-life balance (too much travelling, commuting) What do women want in the workplace?: flexible working hours, personal development opportunities." What about the males in tech ? They don't deserve better salary and advancements ? They don't deserve work-life balance, flexible hours ? Why don't we help them too ? Everybody wants to help women who leave while they can and no one cares about the males trapped in low paying races to the bottom with no real alternatives. For the low 75% of tech workers it's not help at all that the top 25% earners are all males from Silicon Valley.

panglott 11y ago
Are males in tech really so easily offended?
Retra 11y ago
Nobody cares? You care, and there's a vocal dozen of you in every thread about the subject.

timje1 11y ago

Programming is an industry where taking a 3-4 year gap is career suicide, because of the constantly shifting practices and technologies. Some women in tech notice this and move away before raising a family crashes their career. Some don't notice this and are forced to shift careers when re-entering the workforce. Both of these outcomes result in a high attrition rate for women programmers. I have no clear solution for this dilemma.

Alex3917 11y ago

40% attrition is still pretty low compared to most industries though. Compare that to business, finance, law, academia, or teaching. And medicine may have a lower attrition rate, but it's not exactly a great career path these days either. Even if the tech industry is better for men than for women, it's probably still the best industry for women in absolute terms.

rasz_pl 11y ago

>40% of women leave tech mid-career because they get pregnant?

ashark 11y ago

What percentage of women leave other professions they're in? What's the difference in those other professions compared with men in the same profession? 40%/~20% could be good for all I know. 40% doesn't seem too far off from what I've observed in the teaching—which is dominated by women—certainly.