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It's a little disturbing to hear all of this praise of a model of children's television that's A/B tested to hell and back and engineered for children. Then ag

by douche 11y ago

It's a little disturbing to hear all of this praise of a model of children's television that's A/B tested to hell and back and engineered for children. Then again, I grew up watching (and loving) Loony Tunes. There's a depth there that this modern-day pap doesn't possess. The Teletubies never did Wagner or the Barber of Seville; Bugs Bunny did.

DanBC 11y ago
Teletubbies is aimed at children young enough to not be speaking yet - 6 months to 2 years old.
- Amezarak 11y ago
  Children under two aren't even supposed to watch television. > Television and other entertainment media should be avoided for infants and children under age 2. A child's brain develops rapidly during these first years, and young children learn best by interacting with people, not screens. https://www.aap.org/en-us/advocacy-and-policy/aap-health-initiatives/Pages/Media-and-Children.aspx https://www.aap.org/en-us/advocacy-and-policy/aap-health-ini...
  - throwavay_java 11y ago
    yeah. And as a parent who has held back normal bodily functions for an entire day while they did all the "right" things for their kids, sometimes the safest and best thing for everyone involved is to sit the kids in front of TV and know they will stay put for 15 minutes, so you can go to the toilet and then cook their dinner. Also, the other day our 4 year old told me he wanted to be a paleontologist so he can find bones and coprolite. He didn't learn those words from me.
    - comrh 11y ago
      He wants to find dino poo, that is a cool 4 year old!
  - KirinDave 11y ago
    These rules are considered to be outdated and very few pediatricians suggest "0 screen time" anymore. Please see various MODERN materials and their sources at: http://www.zerotothree.org/parenting-resources/screen-sense/screen-sense_key-research-finds_final3.pdf http://www.zerotothree.org/parenting-resources/screen-sense/...
    - ArtDev 11y ago
      That is because so few parents do the right thing.
      - KirinDave 11y ago
        No, the 0 screen time reflects research from a time before real work on educational television and its effects was done. Please read the material before speaking up. Much of it is sourced to actual data, unlike your casual dismissal of my parenting skills.
    - bijection 11y ago
      > The research is clear: Children learn better and more efficiently from play and interaction in the “real,” three-dimensional (3-D) world with parents, caregivers, and peers. > This resource provides guidelines for parents and caregivers of children younger than 3 years on how to use screens in ways that minimize the potential negative effects and maximize learning. > Although the body of research on the effect of screen media (beyond TV viewing) is still relatively limited, it clearly points to the following implications for parents and other caregivers: • Be thoughtful about how you use media with young children. Set limits on screen time to be sure that children have plenty of time exploring the real, 3-D world with family and friends. ( ... ) Though the guide doesn't explicitly say it, 0 screen time still seems like the optimal satisfaction of the presented guidelines.
      - KirinDave 11y ago
        The message is, "Your TV is not a good substitute for a babysitter or any substitute for parenting." There is absolutely no doubt that real world interactions are what toddler minds are optimized for. Most importantly, children without autism spectrum disorder learn from social interactions. There isn't much of any evidence that you sharing teaching tool with your child that is from a tablet is detrimental. My family limits my daughter's unguided screen time pretty strictly. She gets 1 episode of sesame street in the morning and one episode of Daniel Tiger at another point in the day. If she is sick or has a supersleep day, we'll get 1 episode of something else she likes to help keep her calm. But there is tablet and phone time where we focus on interaction. At her age, a camera is fascinating. She takes me to someplace (usually someplace she played earlier) and we take a picture, she then looks a the picture. As per the guidelines, we don't focus on technical features but rather on the social and real world interactions. I feel absolutely no concern about this. I can see her working out how toe camera works and experimenting, and it's amazing. She's fascinated by beaing able to see things from multiple angles at once, and I think this is healthy. But 0 screen time is just so totally unrealistic in a world of smartphones. What's more, it's not how MANY of us grew up. I was using text consoles, unguided, within a year of learning to read. I look at people who say all screen time is detrimental with the same dim view as people who say vaccines cause autism. It's often cause driven.
  - ArtDev 11y ago
    My kids had virtually zero screentime before the age of 6. I really think all parents need to try to do this. Limited media is fine for older kids though.
    - KirinDave 11y ago
      I could program pascal and play basic Sierra adventure games by 6, on my own. I expect my daughter can surpass me if she gets interested.
      - rangibaby 11y ago
        Hey, me too (the game part, anyway). I memorized all the correct answers to the questions in LSL through trial and error, lol. Good times!
        KirinDave 11y ago
        Haha, I have the same experience. "I Have Hair..."
  - DanBC 11y ago
    That's American pediatricians and those rules didn't ever seem to have much in the way of evidence to support them.
snowwrestler 11y ago
"Engineered for children" is a good thing if it means that the show producers have incorporated recent research into early childhood development when designing the show. This is true of shows like Daniel Tiger, Dora, and (although not mentioned in this thread) Blue's Clues. The brains of little kids do not work the same way that adult brains do, so shows really do need to be constructed differently. Mr. Rogers knew this--it was a big part of the success of his show--but both research and TV technology have come a long way since he started his show. It would be bad if a show was simply A/B tested for stickyness, but that's not the story with the shows I mentioned above.
kevin_thibedeau 11y ago
Loony Tunes were made partially for adult consumption before the main feature or between double features in a theater which is why they have more sophisticated themes, particularly the censored ones that aren't PC today.

by douche 11y ago

DanBC 11y ago

Teletubbies is aimed at children young enough to not be speaking yet - 6 months to 2 years old.

Amezarak 11y ago
Children under two aren't even supposed to watch television. > Television and other entertainment media should be avoided for infants and children under age 2. A child's brain develops rapidly during these first years, and young children learn best by interacting with people, not screens. https://www.aap.org/en-us/advocacy-and-policy/aap-health-initiatives/Pages/Media-and-Children.aspx https://www.aap.org/en-us/advocacy-and-policy/aap-health-ini...
- throwavay_java 11y ago
  yeah. And as a parent who has held back normal bodily functions for an entire day while they did all the "right" things for their kids, sometimes the safest and best thing for everyone involved is to sit the kids in front of TV and know they will stay put for 15 minutes, so you can go to the toilet and then cook their dinner. Also, the other day our 4 year old told me he wanted to be a paleontologist so he can find bones and coprolite. He didn't learn those words from me.
  - comrh 11y ago
    He wants to find dino poo, that is a cool 4 year old!
- KirinDave 11y ago
  These rules are considered to be outdated and very few pediatricians suggest "0 screen time" anymore. Please see various MODERN materials and their sources at: http://www.zerotothree.org/parenting-resources/screen-sense/screen-sense_key-research-finds_final3.pdf http://www.zerotothree.org/parenting-resources/screen-sense/...
  - ArtDev 11y ago
    That is because so few parents do the right thing.
    - KirinDave 11y ago
      No, the 0 screen time reflects research from a time before real work on educational television and its effects was done. Please read the material before speaking up. Much of it is sourced to actual data, unlike your casual dismissal of my parenting skills.
  - bijection 11y ago
    > The research is clear: Children learn better and more efficiently from play and interaction in the “real,” three-dimensional (3-D) world with parents, caregivers, and peers. > This resource provides guidelines for parents and caregivers of children younger than 3 years on how to use screens in ways that minimize the potential negative effects and maximize learning. > Although the body of research on the effect of screen media (beyond TV viewing) is still relatively limited, it clearly points to the following implications for parents and other caregivers: • Be thoughtful about how you use media with young children. Set limits on screen time to be sure that children have plenty of time exploring the real, 3-D world with family and friends. ( ... ) Though the guide doesn't explicitly say it, 0 screen time still seems like the optimal satisfaction of the presented guidelines.
    - KirinDave 11y ago
      The message is, "Your TV is not a good substitute for a babysitter or any substitute for parenting." There is absolutely no doubt that real world interactions are what toddler minds are optimized for. Most importantly, children without autism spectrum disorder learn from social interactions. There isn't much of any evidence that you sharing teaching tool with your child that is from a tablet is detrimental. My family limits my daughter's unguided screen time pretty strictly. She gets 1 episode of sesame street in the morning and one episode of Daniel Tiger at another point in the day. If she is sick or has a supersleep day, we'll get 1 episode of something else she likes to help keep her calm. But there is tablet and phone time where we focus on interaction. At her age, a camera is fascinating. She takes me to someplace (usually someplace she played earlier) and we take a picture, she then looks a the picture. As per the guidelines, we don't focus on technical features but rather on the social and real world interactions. I feel absolutely no concern about this. I can see her working out how toe camera works and experimenting, and it's amazing. She's fascinated by beaing able to see things from multiple angles at once, and I think this is healthy. But 0 screen time is just so totally unrealistic in a world of smartphones. What's more, it's not how MANY of us grew up. I was using text consoles, unguided, within a year of learning to read. I look at people who say all screen time is detrimental with the same dim view as people who say vaccines cause autism. It's often cause driven.
- ArtDev 11y ago
  My kids had virtually zero screentime before the age of 6. I really think all parents need to try to do this. Limited media is fine for older kids though.
  - KirinDave 11y ago
    I could program pascal and play basic Sierra adventure games by 6, on my own. I expect my daughter can surpass me if she gets interested.
    - rangibaby 11y ago
      Hey, me too (the game part, anyway). I memorized all the correct answers to the questions in LSL through trial and error, lol. Good times!
      - KirinDave 11y ago
        Haha, I have the same experience. "I Have Hair..."
- DanBC 11y ago
  That's American pediatricians and those rules didn't ever seem to have much in the way of evidence to support them.

snowwrestler 11y ago

"Engineered for children" is a good thing if it means that the show producers have incorporated recent research into early childhood development when designing the show. This is true of shows like Daniel Tiger, Dora, and (although not mentioned in this thread) Blue's Clues. The brains of little kids do not work the same way that adult brains do, so shows really do need to be constructed differently. Mr. Rogers knew this--it was a big part of the success of his show--but both research and TV technology have come a long way since he started his show. It would be bad if a show was simply A/B tested for stickyness, but that's not the story with the shows I mentioned above.

kevin_thibedeau 11y ago

Loony Tunes were made partially for adult consumption before the main feature or between double features in a theater which is why they have more sophisticated themes, particularly the censored ones that aren't PC today.