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Any examples of techno/ambient generated by ES? I knew the ES had a big uptick in popularity in the 90s but I wasn't aware that people were still actively using

Any examples of techno/ambient generated by ES? I knew the ES had a big uptick in popularity in the 90s but I wasn't aware that people were still actively using it for things other than customer-service and similar question-asking interfaces.

TheOtherHobbes 11y ago
Some of the stuff on Warp is computer-assisted - in fact it has been for a long time. But we're really only talking about semi-random loop cut-ups and effects sequencing. Ableton has a small suite of algo-comp packs. And there are things like WaveDNA's Liquid Music. I'm not aware of anyone making complete commercial tracks using ES - at least, not with a high profile career. (I suspect Bjork does a bit of this, but I'm not sure how much. Holly Herndon certainly does, but isn't very mainstream.) Strange fact: people have been attempting algo-comp for decades, and it remains incredibly obscure and ignored, even though there have been literally hundreds of languages, toolkits, and frameworks. That's partly because most of it isn't very musical - at best it sounds like a random mash-up of music slices with no overall sense of form or mood, and at worst it sounds like musical nonsense. It could also be because successful systems become so complicated they're only really useful to one composer. No one else has the time or the patience to learn them. But more, musicians seem to have a block about the idea - e.g. WaveDNA have literally had a lot of hate for LiquidMusic. Even though many genres are very formulaic, abstracting those formulas in a useable way turns out to be very hard, especially if you're aiming for a definite mood instead of a random musical squiggle. Most people who make music would rather do it by hand than have a computer do it for them.
desireco42 11y ago
Nothing super specific, I know people are doing raves with that closure music suite where they modify rhythm and music as the night progresses. I am not sure how much this can be considered as ES, kind of is... Quick google found this, looks like what I was referring... http://algorave.com/ http://algorave.com/ This is what I was referring to http://overtone.github.io/ http://overtone.github.io/

TheOtherHobbes 11y ago

Some of the stuff on Warp is computer-assisted - in fact it has been for a long time. But we're really only talking about semi-random loop cut-ups and effects sequencing. Ableton has a small suite of algo-comp packs. And there are things like WaveDNA's Liquid Music. I'm not aware of anyone making complete commercial tracks using ES - at least, not with a high profile career. (I suspect Bjork does a bit of this, but I'm not sure how much. Holly Herndon certainly does, but isn't very mainstream.) Strange fact: people have been attempting algo-comp for decades, and it remains incredibly obscure and ignored, even though there have been literally hundreds of languages, toolkits, and frameworks. That's partly because most of it isn't very musical - at best it sounds like a random mash-up of music slices with no overall sense of form or mood, and at worst it sounds like musical nonsense. It could also be because successful systems become so complicated they're only really useful to one composer. No one else has the time or the patience to learn them. But more, musicians seem to have a block about the idea - e.g. WaveDNA have literally had a lot of hate for LiquidMusic. Even though many genres are very formulaic, abstracting those formulas in a useable way turns out to be very hard, especially if you're aiming for a definite mood instead of a random musical squiggle. Most people who make music would rather do it by hand than have a computer do it for them.

desireco42 11y ago

Nothing super specific, I know people are doing raves with that closure music suite where they modify rhythm and music as the night progresses. I am not sure how much this can be considered as ES, kind of is... Quick google found this, looks like what I was referring... http://algorave.com/ http://algorave.com/ This is what I was referring to http://overtone.github.io/ http://overtone.github.io/