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"China's constitution protects the right of citizens to free speech" Yeah... I'm sure it does.

sparky 17y ago
Apparently true: http://www.usconstitution.net/china.html#Article35 http://www.usconstitution.net/china.html#Article35 Also, Article 41: Citizens of the People's Republic of China have the right to criticize and make suggestions regarding any state organ or functionary. Citizens have the right to make to relevant state organs complaints or charges against, or exposures of, any state organ or functionary for violation of the law or dereliction of duty, but fabrication or distortion of facts for purposes of libel or false incrimination is prohibited. The state organ concerned must deal with complaints, charges or exposures made by citizens in a responsible manner after ascertaining the facts. No one may suppress such complaints, charges and exposures or retaliate against the citizens making them. It appears that the constitution states that people have these rights, but unfortunately it is the people who constitute the government of the time who protect (or disregard) rights, not a document. Actions speak louder than words.
- adrih 17y ago
  The idea that the constitution shouldn't be too highly regarded even seems like a legitimate point to make in trials: The charges stemmed from the CCP’s interpretation of Guo’s actions as subversive to its rule. His defense was not to dispute the evidence, but to argue that the published materials were not subversive, and that the constitution covers freedom of speech anyway. The prosecution asserted that the interests of the Party-State take priority. http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/27316/ http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/27316/
  - dandelany 17y ago
    A judicial decision that states that "The interests of the Party-State take priority [over the Constitution]" seems legitimate to you? Are you being sarcastic?
    - adrih 17y ago
      No, I meant that the argument is legitimate in Chinese courts. It wouldn't be in Europe or in the US.
- est 17y ago
  lol, no one gives a shit to constitution law in China. Countless official rules, regulations or 'TongZhi' violates constitution law directly.
est 17y ago
The most ironic thing is if you copy paste the PRC Constitution law on any blog, forum even webmail in China, you'll fail to submit because the system will prompt you there's 'illegal keyword' in the content. pic: http://i.imgur.com/XrGlR.jpg http://i.imgur.com/XrGlR.jpg

Apparently true: http://www.usconstitution.net/china.html#Article35 http://www.usconstitution.net/china.html#Article35 Also, Article 41: Citizens of the People's Republic of China have the right to criticize and make suggestions regarding any state organ or functionary. Citizens have the right to make to relevant state organs complaints or charges against, or exposures of, any state organ or functionary for violation of the law or dereliction of duty, but fabrication or distortion of facts for purposes of libel or false incrimination is prohibited. The state organ concerned must deal with complaints, charges or exposures made by citizens in a responsible manner after ascertaining the facts. No one may suppress such complaints, charges and exposures or retaliate against the citizens making them. It appears that the constitution states that people have these rights, but unfortunately it is the people who constitute the government of the time who protect (or disregard) rights, not a document. Actions speak louder than words.

adrih 17y ago
The idea that the constitution shouldn't be too highly regarded even seems like a legitimate point to make in trials: The charges stemmed from the CCP’s interpretation of Guo’s actions as subversive to its rule. His defense was not to dispute the evidence, but to argue that the published materials were not subversive, and that the constitution covers freedom of speech anyway. The prosecution asserted that the interests of the Party-State take priority. http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/27316/ http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/27316/
- dandelany 17y ago
  A judicial decision that states that "The interests of the Party-State take priority [over the Constitution]" seems legitimate to you? Are you being sarcastic?
  - adrih 17y ago
    No, I meant that the argument is legitimate in Chinese courts. It wouldn't be in Europe or in the US.
est 17y ago
lol, no one gives a shit to constitution law in China. Countless official rules, regulations or 'TongZhi' violates constitution law directly.

est 17y ago

The most ironic thing is if you copy paste the PRC Constitution law on any blog, forum even webmail in China, you'll fail to submit because the system will prompt you there's 'illegal keyword' in the content. pic: http://i.imgur.com/XrGlR.jpg http://i.imgur.com/XrGlR.jpg