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Author hardly demonstrates how nudges "hardly help". In fact, my guess is that nudges are extremely effective. Just the trivial 10c grocery bag fees (a "nudge",

by pbreit 11y ago

Author hardly demonstrates how nudges "hardly help". In fact, my guess is that nudges are extremely effective. Just the trivial 10c grocery bag fees (a "nudge", imo) can reduce bag use by 80% (whether or not bag reduction is good/bad is a different discussion).

saidajigumi 11y ago
As my other post in this thread gets into, this example of a "nudge" doesn't compare to the junk food case, since junk food is effectively designed to hack our brains' "food reward" mechanisms. Bag use is effectively neurologically "neutral", but junk food (and most other highly processed food) is very much not. "Pringles, can't eat just one!" turns out to be a lot more than a marketing slogan.
- Nadya 11y ago
  That slogan is for Lay's potato chips. Pringles' slogan is "you don't just eat them". Source: I love Pringles. http://i.imgur.com/oibfGJA.png http://i.imgur.com/oibfGJA.png
  - saidajigumi 11y ago
    Thanks for the correction!
Someone1234 11y ago
The bag reduction I would argue is a "good" thing, that being said, there have been reports about reusable bags causing nasty food poisoning. The problem is a lot of reusable bags aren't easy to clean (e.g. cannot be placed in a washing machine) and people reuse bags for both uncooked meats and fresh vegetables then just leave them for long periods with food bacteria on them. Most of the general public doesn't realise the risk, and unfortunately even if you do realise it, most re-usable bags aren't cleanable anyway. All you can do is spray them with disinfecting spray every so often and hope for the best.
SilasX 11y ago
Indeed they are, because they a) pick extreme lower hanging fruit, and b) completely trivialize the costs thereof. Imagine that they start nudging in cases where the benefit of that option isn't nearly as clear, and you have to go through that for virtually every transaction: You reach for an item on the shelf: "Wait! Did you know you can pick this other item with slightly less fat?" Repeat x100 for every shopping trip. Your paycheck is now 80% deductions: "We found that the optimal budget buys these necessities in bulk under these programs. Don't worry! You can opt out of this first one by going to this office, the second by going to this office, the third..." "We found we could increase employment and reduce dependence on public assistance by randomly changing the procedure for applying for benefits!"

by pbreit 11y ago

saidajigumi 11y ago

As my other post in this thread gets into, this example of a "nudge" doesn't compare to the junk food case, since junk food is effectively designed to hack our brains' "food reward" mechanisms. Bag use is effectively neurologically "neutral", but junk food (and most other highly processed food) is very much not. "Pringles, can't eat just one!" turns out to be a lot more than a marketing slogan.

Nadya 11y ago
That slogan is for Lay's potato chips. Pringles' slogan is "you don't just eat them". Source: I love Pringles. http://i.imgur.com/oibfGJA.png http://i.imgur.com/oibfGJA.png
- saidajigumi 11y ago
  Thanks for the correction!

Someone1234 11y ago

The bag reduction I would argue is a "good" thing, that being said, there have been reports about reusable bags causing nasty food poisoning. The problem is a lot of reusable bags aren't easy to clean (e.g. cannot be placed in a washing machine) and people reuse bags for both uncooked meats and fresh vegetables then just leave them for long periods with food bacteria on them. Most of the general public doesn't realise the risk, and unfortunately even if you do realise it, most re-usable bags aren't cleanable anyway. All you can do is spray them with disinfecting spray every so often and hope for the best.

SilasX 11y ago

Indeed they are, because they a) pick extreme lower hanging fruit, and b) completely trivialize the costs thereof. Imagine that they start nudging in cases where the benefit of that option isn't nearly as clear, and you have to go through that for virtually every transaction: You reach for an item on the shelf: "Wait! Did you know you can pick this other item with slightly less fat?" Repeat x100 for every shopping trip. Your paycheck is now 80% deductions: "We found that the optimal budget buys these necessities in bulk under these programs. Don't worry! You can opt out of this first one by going to this office, the second by going to this office, the third..." "We found we could increase employment and reduce dependence on public assistance by randomly changing the procedure for applying for benefits!"