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Owning a gun does not reduce the odds that you or someone you care about being being killed by a gun. Irrelevant. So, you benefit just as much from gun contro

Owning a gun does not reduce the odds that you or someone you care about being being killed by a gun. Irrelevant. So, you benefit just as much from gun control as everyone else. Which is "Not at all". PS: One option is to simply jack up the cost of each bullet. At 100$ a pop that still useful for hunting or self defense so no constitutional issues, but your not going to see teens firing thousands of rounds. ;) This would make me and a lot of people like me very rich.

jMyles 11y ago
> Irrelevant. And factually dubious. It's an impossible metric to track, yet statists everywhere trumpet it as though it's established science.
Retric 11y ago
Compare US vs UK violence statistics and the benefits are not trivial.
- LordKano 11y ago
  Compare the US vs UK before the Dunblane massacre. The UK was a far less violent place even when civilians had guns. In other words there were marginal, if any, benefits to disarming. In fact, there was an increase in certain kinds of violent crimes. It may well have been a net negative. No thank you.
- jMyles 11y ago
  Surely you realize you can't just say this in a vacuum. This is a huge topic of debate. At the very least, you need to recognize the two basic challenges of this argument: 1) Violence is no less typical in the UK; as I understand it, you are more likely to be attacked with a knife in London than with a gun in any US city, and 2) In several crucial ways, the UK and the US are completely different - not least of these is that the US is the center of hegemonic influence in the world. For sociopolitical reasons, it may not be wise to allow this hegemon to be armed and unchecked, and this might not be so for other developed nations.
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  - Retric 11y ago
    > Violence is no less typical in the UK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention... United States intentional homicide rate: 3.8 United Kingdom intentional homicide rate: 1.0 So, UK has plenty of issues with crime and is worse in many areas, they just have vastly fewer deaths.
- OopsCriticality 11y ago
  I've tried to do that comparison, and the best I could come up with is that I'm not convinced it's possible. Crimes are both reported and categorized differently between the two countries, which is a major cofound, and the reporting rate differs greatly between the two. It's a general problem really with any comparison study. If you have a source for a thoughtful comparison you can share, I'd be very interested.

jMyles 11y ago

> Irrelevant. And factually dubious. It's an impossible metric to track, yet statists everywhere trumpet it as though it's established science.

Retric 11y ago

Compare US vs UK violence statistics and the benefits are not trivial.

LordKano 11y ago
Compare the US vs UK before the Dunblane massacre. The UK was a far less violent place even when civilians had guns. In other words there were marginal, if any, benefits to disarming. In fact, there was an increase in certain kinds of violent crimes. It may well have been a net negative. No thank you.
jMyles 11y ago
Surely you realize you can't just say this in a vacuum. This is a huge topic of debate. At the very least, you need to recognize the two basic challenges of this argument: 1) Violence is no less typical in the UK; as I understand it, you are more likely to be attacked with a knife in London than with a gun in any US city, and 2) In several crucial ways, the UK and the US are completely different - not least of these is that the US is the center of hegemonic influence in the world. For sociopolitical reasons, it may not be wise to allow this hegemon to be armed and unchecked, and this might not be so for other developed nations.
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- Retric 11y ago
  > Violence is no less typical in the UK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention... United States intentional homicide rate: 3.8 United Kingdom intentional homicide rate: 1.0 So, UK has plenty of issues with crime and is worse in many areas, they just have vastly fewer deaths.
OopsCriticality 11y ago
I've tried to do that comparison, and the best I could come up with is that I'm not convinced it's possible. Crimes are both reported and categorized differently between the two countries, which is a major cofound, and the reporting rate differs greatly between the two. It's a general problem really with any comparison study. If you have a source for a thoughtful comparison you can share, I'd be very interested.