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"Apple doesn't abuse its power" only allows a Firefox content blocker in safari

by lowpro 11y ago

joosters 11y ago
...and yet if the content blockers ran in all apps, people would definitely be complaining that Apple was abusing its power. They can't win!
- toyg 11y ago
  Yes they can: by allowing app developers to opt-in.
  - gfosco 11y ago
    If the app uses a 'Safari View Controller' then it works just fine... That is something app developers can opt-in to, and it also provides the fastest browsing experience for users.
    - ino 11y ago
      So that's why Twitter web views have ads even with content blockers enabled? What's holding Twitter back? They've had updates recently.
      - anonred 11y ago
        Safari View Controller can't be branded to fit with Twitter's app design.
      - ozmbie 11y ago
        >What's holding Twitter back? Their desire for advertising revenue perhaps.
  - joosters 11y ago
    ...then we'd still have users complaining about app developers taking away their freedoms!
talktime 11y ago
And try changing the default browser on your iPad - not possible. I don't know why Apple gets away with anti-competitive behavior that MS was hauled over the coals for two decades ago.
- felipeerias 11y ago
  Because Apple is very far from being a monopoly.
  - lowpro 11y ago
    You don't have to be a monopoly to have anti-competitive behavior, like disallowing competitors to compete with you in a market that has sizable market share, even if you own that market. For example, if they banned any non Apple apps in the Apple App Store, there's still ~60% of the market in other stores (Google Play/Windows Store), but that still isn't allowed and is very anti-competitive.
- deleted 11y ago
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- mikeash 11y ago
  Try obtaining a different browser on your iThing. It can't be done (unless you build one and sideload it through Xcode, or jailbreak). There are "third-party browsers" out there, but they all use the same engine as Safari, by decree of Apple. However, the reason why Apple gets away with it while Microsoft doesn't should be obvious if you're at all familiar with Microsoft's history and current market share numbers. (Hint: MS got hit for anticompetitive behavior when they owned ~95% of the PC OS market. Apple owns maybe 15% of the world smartphone market.)
  - frik 11y ago
    Even Microsoft, who should be really ashamed to do it again, only allows Edge browser engine on Windows 10 Phone/Mobile! IDC released the mobile market share 2015 statistics the other day: http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS40664915 http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS40664915 Android: 81% iOS: 15% WinMobile: 2%

"Apple doesn't abuse its power" only allows a Firefox content blocker in safari

by lowpro 11y ago

"Apple doesn't abuse its power" only allows a Firefox content blocker in safari

...and yet if the content blockers ran in all apps, people would definitely be complaining that Apple was abusing its power. They can't win!

toyg 11y ago
Yes they can: by allowing app developers to opt-in.
- gfosco 11y ago
  If the app uses a 'Safari View Controller' then it works just fine... That is something app developers can opt-in to, and it also provides the fastest browsing experience for users.
  - ino 11y ago
    So that's why Twitter web views have ads even with content blockers enabled? What's holding Twitter back? They've had updates recently.
    - anonred 11y ago
      Safari View Controller can't be branded to fit with Twitter's app design.
    - ozmbie 11y ago
      >What's holding Twitter back? Their desire for advertising revenue perhaps.
- joosters 11y ago
  ...then we'd still have users complaining about app developers taking away their freedoms!

talktime 11y ago

And try changing the default browser on your iPad - not possible. I don't know why Apple gets away with anti-competitive behavior that MS was hauled over the coals for two decades ago.

felipeerias 11y ago
Because Apple is very far from being a monopoly.
- lowpro 11y ago
  You don't have to be a monopoly to have anti-competitive behavior, like disallowing competitors to compete with you in a market that has sizable market share, even if you own that market. For example, if they banned any non Apple apps in the Apple App Store, there's still ~60% of the market in other stores (Google Play/Windows Store), but that still isn't allowed and is very anti-competitive.
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mikeash 11y ago
Try obtaining a different browser on your iThing. It can't be done (unless you build one and sideload it through Xcode, or jailbreak). There are "third-party browsers" out there, but they all use the same engine as Safari, by decree of Apple. However, the reason why Apple gets away with it while Microsoft doesn't should be obvious if you're at all familiar with Microsoft's history and current market share numbers. (Hint: MS got hit for anticompetitive behavior when they owned ~95% of the PC OS market. Apple owns maybe 15% of the world smartphone market.)
- frik 11y ago
  Even Microsoft, who should be really ashamed to do it again, only allows Edge browser engine on Windows 10 Phone/Mobile! IDC released the mobile market share 2015 statistics the other day: http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS40664915 http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jsp?containerId=prUS40664915 Android: 81% iOS: 15% WinMobile: 2%