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But YOU are the one bringing Iran into the discussion. You compared them with the Saudis, by saying "but Iran is too!" I honestly have no idea where the hate f

But YOU are the one bringing Iran into the discussion. You compared them with the Saudis, by saying "but Iran is too!" I honestly have no idea where the hate for Iran comes from. They really haven't done much to hurt US interests, even though they lost 10s of 1000s of men in the Iran-Iraq war as a direct result of US involvement.

merpnderp 11y ago
When you say "haven't done much to hurt US interests" does arming Iraqi insurgents with Iranian made weapons that killed many coalition soldiers, and further destabilized Iraq causing who knows how many innocent deaths, not count? And why would the US get more blame than the USSR or France and Germany? The USSR sent soldiers and pilots to fight for Saddam.
- ZenoArrow 11y ago
  > "When you say "haven't done much to hurt US interests" does arming Iraqi insurgents with Iranian made weapons that killed many coalition soldiers, and further destabilized Iraq causing who knows how many innocent deaths, not count?" Why did the US continue to support ISIS even after it was clear they were becoming a serious threat in the region? http://youtu.be/ccdeANvo2bg http://youtu.be/ccdeANvo2bg Why did Turkey continue to buy oil from ISIS even after ISIS started executing innocent people? http://uk.businessinsider.com/links-between-turkey-and-isis-are-now-undeniable-2015-7?r=US&IR=T http://uk.businessinsider.com/links-between-turkey-and-isis-... The point is, the whole thing is a mess, and not one of the main countries involved is free from blame. The most messed up thing from a political point of view is that Turkey are a member of NATO, in other words we're fighting a group that's funded by allies of US and Europe. Throw Russia in the mix with its support of Assad and we really could be looking at the start of World War 3. Of course I hope it doesn't come to that, but it does seem plausible. > "The USSR sent soldiers and pilots to fight for Saddam." Are you referring to the Gulf War (1990) or the Iraq War (2003)?
gadders 11y ago
I'm bringing them into the discussion as they are the counterpoint to Saudi Arabia, one Shiite and the other Sunni. >>They really haven't done much to hurt US interests This is laughably false.
- ZenoArrow 11y ago
  > "This is laughably false." It's not as straightforward as that: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/tehran/axis/terror.html http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/tehran/axis/te... Here's a key quote (from Robert Baer, a former CIA officer): "And how important [is] Hezbollah? ... It's extremely important. Hezbollah's divided into many parties. There's the Islamic Resistance in the south, which beat the Israelis. They attacked the Israeli army. They defeated the Israeli army on Lebanese soil. I do not know how we can describe that other than a national liberation movement. I don't agree that Hezbollah itself is a terrorist organization. It delivers powdered milk; it takes care of people. It's a social organization; it's a political organization. It fights corruption. Then there's the Islamic Resistance, which is an army, which is a guerrilla force, fighting for control of its own country. And then, under the Hezbollah umbrella, was the Islamic Jihad, which I call their special security, which was controlled by Iran, which carried out terrorism against the West. And you can paint Hezbollah as a terrorist organization. You can do that for political reasons, but strictly speaking, it is many things. Just as [with] the IRA, you got Sinn Fein and you've got the real IRA, which is conducting terrorism."

merpnderp 11y ago

When you say "haven't done much to hurt US interests" does arming Iraqi insurgents with Iranian made weapons that killed many coalition soldiers, and further destabilized Iraq causing who knows how many innocent deaths, not count? And why would the US get more blame than the USSR or France and Germany? The USSR sent soldiers and pilots to fight for Saddam.

ZenoArrow 11y ago
> "When you say "haven't done much to hurt US interests" does arming Iraqi insurgents with Iranian made weapons that killed many coalition soldiers, and further destabilized Iraq causing who knows how many innocent deaths, not count?" Why did the US continue to support ISIS even after it was clear they were becoming a serious threat in the region? http://youtu.be/ccdeANvo2bg http://youtu.be/ccdeANvo2bg Why did Turkey continue to buy oil from ISIS even after ISIS started executing innocent people? http://uk.businessinsider.com/links-between-turkey-and-isis-are-now-undeniable-2015-7?r=US&IR=T http://uk.businessinsider.com/links-between-turkey-and-isis-... The point is, the whole thing is a mess, and not one of the main countries involved is free from blame. The most messed up thing from a political point of view is that Turkey are a member of NATO, in other words we're fighting a group that's funded by allies of US and Europe. Throw Russia in the mix with its support of Assad and we really could be looking at the start of World War 3. Of course I hope it doesn't come to that, but it does seem plausible. > "The USSR sent soldiers and pilots to fight for Saddam." Are you referring to the Gulf War (1990) or the Iraq War (2003)?

gadders 11y ago

I'm bringing them into the discussion as they are the counterpoint to Saudi Arabia, one Shiite and the other Sunni. >>They really haven't done much to hurt US interests This is laughably false.

ZenoArrow 11y ago
> "This is laughably false." It's not as straightforward as that: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/tehran/axis/terror.html http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/tehran/axis/te... Here's a key quote (from Robert Baer, a former CIA officer): "And how important [is] Hezbollah? ... It's extremely important. Hezbollah's divided into many parties. There's the Islamic Resistance in the south, which beat the Israelis. They attacked the Israeli army. They defeated the Israeli army on Lebanese soil. I do not know how we can describe that other than a national liberation movement. I don't agree that Hezbollah itself is a terrorist organization. It delivers powdered milk; it takes care of people. It's a social organization; it's a political organization. It fights corruption. Then there's the Islamic Resistance, which is an army, which is a guerrilla force, fighting for control of its own country. And then, under the Hezbollah umbrella, was the Islamic Jihad, which I call their special security, which was controlled by Iran, which carried out terrorism against the West. And you can paint Hezbollah as a terrorist organization. You can do that for political reasons, but strictly speaking, it is many things. Just as [with] the IRA, you got Sinn Fein and you've got the real IRA, which is conducting terrorism."