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What do you not like about Outlook or Gmail (I think the market leaders)?

by cm2012 11y ago

zyxley 11y ago
The "delay for later" feature is tremendously useful compared to traditional inbox handling. Of course, to trust that feature, it also has to be tremendously reliable, and that's the biggest thing that Mailbox got right in the first place. That's also why it very handily beat out Mail Pilot, which had the same idea and got started earlier but to this day is still filled with terrible bugs.
zimpenfish 11y ago
They don't work with other people's IMAP/POP3 servers? (Well, the Gmail iOS app certainly doesn't; I haven't tried the Outlook client but the description in the app store suggests a very limited set of providers.)
- msh 11y ago
  Gmail for Android supports third party pop\imap servers quite well.
- cbhl 11y ago
  The GMail Android app does work with other people's IMAP and POP3 servers, for what it's worth. But then you have to use Android. https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6078445?hl=en https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6078445?hl=en
- cwyers 11y ago
  Outlook supports IMAP, not POP3. https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Set-up-email-on-iPhone-iPad-or-iPod-Touch-b2de2161-cc1d-49ef-9ef9-81acd1c8e234#BKMK_IMAPorPOP https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Set-up-email-on-iPh...
  - zimpenfish 11y ago
    Ah, good to know, thanks.
jarin 11y ago
It's such a pain to process hundreds of emails in Outlook, and there's no snoozing like there is with Mailbox or Inbox.
- mdeeks 11y ago
  Outlook does have snooze/scheduling. Just curious, how is processing hundreds of emails in Mailbox or Inbox better than Outlook? Seems like trying to do that on a mobile device would be hard no matter what app.
ketralnis 11y ago
I'm not the parent but Outlook's IMAP support is quirky at best and I very strongly prefer native applications to web applications. I also host my own email which marks gmail right out. Email should be simple but there has been essentially no lasting innovation in email clients in a very long time unless you really want Google to host it for you
xxpor 11y ago
Outlook (I assume you're referring to the mobile app, not the desktop client) puts all of your emails on MS's servers, so that's a no go for lots of people. Last I checked, the gmail app only worked with gmail accounts.
- threatofrain 11y ago
  The Gmail app actually allows 3rd-party IMAP connections.
  - gcr 11y ago
    Do you mean gmail's web interface? That works by downloading your emails from your 3rd-party IMAP connections into Gmail's server.
    - NeutronBoy 11y ago
      No, he means the 'Gmail' app (on Android phones at least, not sure about iPhones) allows third part servers. They rolled the Mail client into it.
schneidmaster 11y ago
Gmail on mobile still doesn't have a unified inbox, and it also doesn't have features I've come to depend on such as snoozing messages. I usually use Inbox by Gmail on mobile, which also lacks a unified inbox and (bizarrely enough) support for HTML signatures but does have pretty good message snoozing, and I like how it handles bundling. Outlook (incidentally, another example of my original complaint, as it's just former email startup Acompli with a fresh skin although obviously it's probably not getting shut down anytime too soon) doesn't have very good message searching for Gmail, which is a common complaint I have for non-Google mail apps. Obviously, I get that Google has a huge built-in advantage here; but if your email app is going to support the "Mailbox paradigm" of abandoning folders/traditional labels in favor of just marking things as done, it also needs to have search functionality that can back it up. Outlook was also really buggy for me when I last tried it, although that was a little while ago so it may have improved.
- jamiequint 11y ago
  The new Outlook app is actually surprisingly good. I think the Sunrise guys (sunrise.am) are running that team and it shows. I laughed the first 2 times friends recommended me the app, but I tried it and now also highly recommend it.
  - conception 11y ago
    For certain. I just gave it a try a couple of weeks ago and it's now my default client as a gmail user.
  - colinbartlett 11y ago
    I used Acompli and now I use Outlook. My favorite tiny detail is that I can tune the notifications to push only unread counts to the icon badge and only for the "focused" inbox. That means I can avoid constant push notices for email yet still be able to glance down when I want to and see if I have any unread emails that are actual human communications.
- mattmanser 11y ago
  Gmail on mobile does have a unified inbox: http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/30/gmail-for-android-gets-a-unified-inbox/ http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/30/gmail-for-android-gets-a-un...
erikb 11y ago
Seriously how can you even like Outlook? Yes people need to use it, but want? Does anybody really know other mail programs and wants to use Outlook?

What do you not like about Outlook or Gmail (I think the market leaders)?

by cm2012 11y ago

What do you not like about Outlook or Gmail (I think the market leaders)?

The "delay for later" feature is tremendously useful compared to traditional inbox handling. Of course, to trust that feature, it also has to be tremendously reliable, and that's the biggest thing that Mailbox got right in the first place. That's also why it very handily beat out Mail Pilot, which had the same idea and got started earlier but to this day is still filled with terrible bugs.

zimpenfish 11y ago

They don't work with other people's IMAP/POP3 servers? (Well, the Gmail iOS app certainly doesn't; I haven't tried the Outlook client but the description in the app store suggests a very limited set of providers.)

msh 11y ago
Gmail for Android supports third party pop\imap servers quite well.
cbhl 11y ago
The GMail Android app does work with other people's IMAP and POP3 servers, for what it's worth. But then you have to use Android. https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6078445?hl=en https://support.google.com/mail/answer/6078445?hl=en
cwyers 11y ago
Outlook supports IMAP, not POP3. https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Set-up-email-on-iPhone-iPad-or-iPod-Touch-b2de2161-cc1d-49ef-9ef9-81acd1c8e234#BKMK_IMAPorPOP https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Set-up-email-on-iPh...
- zimpenfish 11y ago
  Ah, good to know, thanks.

jarin 11y ago

It's such a pain to process hundreds of emails in Outlook, and there's no snoozing like there is with Mailbox or Inbox.

mdeeks 11y ago
Outlook does have snooze/scheduling. Just curious, how is processing hundreds of emails in Mailbox or Inbox better than Outlook? Seems like trying to do that on a mobile device would be hard no matter what app.

ketralnis 11y ago

I'm not the parent but Outlook's IMAP support is quirky at best and I very strongly prefer native applications to web applications. I also host my own email which marks gmail right out. Email should be simple but there has been essentially no lasting innovation in email clients in a very long time unless you really want Google to host it for you

xxpor 11y ago

Outlook (I assume you're referring to the mobile app, not the desktop client) puts all of your emails on MS's servers, so that's a no go for lots of people. Last I checked, the gmail app only worked with gmail accounts.

threatofrain 11y ago
The Gmail app actually allows 3rd-party IMAP connections.
- gcr 11y ago
  Do you mean gmail's web interface? That works by downloading your emails from your 3rd-party IMAP connections into Gmail's server.
  - NeutronBoy 11y ago
    No, he means the 'Gmail' app (on Android phones at least, not sure about iPhones) allows third part servers. They rolled the Mail client into it.

schneidmaster 11y ago

Gmail on mobile still doesn't have a unified inbox, and it also doesn't have features I've come to depend on such as snoozing messages. I usually use Inbox by Gmail on mobile, which also lacks a unified inbox and (bizarrely enough) support for HTML signatures but does have pretty good message snoozing, and I like how it handles bundling. Outlook (incidentally, another example of my original complaint, as it's just former email startup Acompli with a fresh skin although obviously it's probably not getting shut down anytime too soon) doesn't have very good message searching for Gmail, which is a common complaint I have for non-Google mail apps. Obviously, I get that Google has a huge built-in advantage here; but if your email app is going to support the "Mailbox paradigm" of abandoning folders/traditional labels in favor of just marking things as done, it also needs to have search functionality that can back it up. Outlook was also really buggy for me when I last tried it, although that was a little while ago so it may have improved.

jamiequint 11y ago
The new Outlook app is actually surprisingly good. I think the Sunrise guys (sunrise.am) are running that team and it shows. I laughed the first 2 times friends recommended me the app, but I tried it and now also highly recommend it.
- conception 11y ago
  For certain. I just gave it a try a couple of weeks ago and it's now my default client as a gmail user.
- colinbartlett 11y ago
  I used Acompli and now I use Outlook. My favorite tiny detail is that I can tune the notifications to push only unread counts to the icon badge and only for the "focused" inbox. That means I can avoid constant push notices for email yet still be able to glance down when I want to and see if I have any unread emails that are actual human communications.
mattmanser 11y ago
Gmail on mobile does have a unified inbox: http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/30/gmail-for-android-gets-a-unified-inbox/ http://techcrunch.com/2015/03/30/gmail-for-android-gets-a-un...

erikb 11y ago

Seriously how can you even like Outlook? Yes people need to use it, but want? Does anybody really know other mail programs and wants to use Outlook?