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Gladly. There are better editors out there whose authors do not try to make political statements, as if their opinion mattered more because of software they hap

by zapu 11y ago

Gladly. There are better editors out there whose authors do not try to make political statements, as if their opinion mattered more because of software they happened to produce.

VikingCoder 11y ago
> whose authors do not try to make political statements I don't think there's anything wrong with having a political opinion - especially if the opinion is, "People who hate me for no good reason are kind of assholes." > as if their opinion mattered more I don't think the author thinks their opinion matters MORE - I think the author thinks their opinion is worth voicing.
- zapu 11y ago
  I have a lot of opinions myself as well, but I do not present them as my projects' opinions. Especially in things as polarizing as Europe's current immigration problem. This only causes heated discussions that are not related to software at all. Like in Facebook comments for the post linked.
  - VikingCoder 11y ago
    If no one listens to you, but lots of people listen to you when you put a certain hat on, and you feel the subject is an ethical imperative for you, then speak your mind, I say. Be prepared to deal with the consequences of course, which may include derision, abandonment, cynicism, or apathy.
mintplant 11y ago
You know FN is Front National, France's neo-Nazi party - right? I don't see the problem with an open source project using what influence it has to take a stand against that.
- jdjdhnxn 11y ago
  This is wrong. It may have in the past, but now it's more like the Donald Trump party. They've expelled neo-Nazi members like Le Pen's father.
  - mintplant 11y ago
    It was founded by Jean-Marie Le Pen, a well-known and outspoken neo-Nazi, who led the party up until just four years ago. Currently his daughter is in charge. edit: jdjdhnxn edited their comment either while I was responding or after I had responded. I'm not sure which.
    - jdjdhnxn 11y ago
      Yes, and they've excommunicated him from the party as well as every other Nazi sympathizer. The Democratic Party had KKK members too in the past. Is it fair to call them a neo-Nazi Party too?
      - mintplant 11y ago
        You're comparing a span of decades to a span of four years. And I dispute the claim that every neo-Nazi influence has been expunged from the party, especially when control remains in the same family as the original leadership.
        jdjdhnxni 11y ago
        The FN is seeing a very rapid rise in support among French Jews. I don't see how you can call them a neo-Nazi party when (a) they've publicly taken a stand against anti-semitism, (b) they've expelled all Nazi sympathizers, and (c) a large number of French Jews support them. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-24/anti-immigrant-le-pen-finds-rising-jewish-support-in-france http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-24/anti-immig... Opinion polls like Ifop show Cukierman’s comments reflect a growing reality. Between the last two presidential elections in 2007 and 2012, Jewish voters supporting the FN, the party’s acronym, more than tripled. The shift came after Marine Le Pen took over the helm in 2011, steering clear of her party-founder father Jean-Marie Le Pen’s anti-Semitic stance. In a comment to Bloomberg on the side lines of a conference in Paris Tuesday, Marine Le Pen made common cause with France’s Jews. “It’s the rise of Islamism that hits, hurts and kills,” she said. “It’s time to fight the danger threatening French Jews.” She welcomed Cukierman’s comments, saying “his words reveal an internal debate within the Jewish community. The comfortable idea that anti-Semitism is a right-wing theme is not true anymore and hasn’t been for decades.”
DanBC 11y ago
Do you have any examples?

by zapu 11y ago

Gladly. There are better editors out there whose authors do not try to make political statements, as if their opinion mattered more because of software they happened to produce.

VikingCoder 11y ago

> whose authors do not try to make political statements I don't think there's anything wrong with having a political opinion - especially if the opinion is, "People who hate me for no good reason are kind of assholes." > as if their opinion mattered more I don't think the author thinks their opinion matters MORE - I think the author thinks their opinion is worth voicing.

zapu 11y ago
I have a lot of opinions myself as well, but I do not present them as my projects' opinions. Especially in things as polarizing as Europe's current immigration problem. This only causes heated discussions that are not related to software at all. Like in Facebook comments for the post linked.
- VikingCoder 11y ago
  If no one listens to you, but lots of people listen to you when you put a certain hat on, and you feel the subject is an ethical imperative for you, then speak your mind, I say. Be prepared to deal with the consequences of course, which may include derision, abandonment, cynicism, or apathy.

mintplant 11y ago

You know FN is Front National, France's neo-Nazi party - right? I don't see the problem with an open source project using what influence it has to take a stand against that.

jdjdhnxn 11y ago
This is wrong. It may have in the past, but now it's more like the Donald Trump party. They've expelled neo-Nazi members like Le Pen's father.
- mintplant 11y ago
  It was founded by Jean-Marie Le Pen, a well-known and outspoken neo-Nazi, who led the party up until just four years ago. Currently his daughter is in charge. edit: jdjdhnxn edited their comment either while I was responding or after I had responded. I'm not sure which.
  - jdjdhnxn 11y ago
    Yes, and they've excommunicated him from the party as well as every other Nazi sympathizer. The Democratic Party had KKK members too in the past. Is it fair to call them a neo-Nazi Party too?
    - mintplant 11y ago
      You're comparing a span of decades to a span of four years. And I dispute the claim that every neo-Nazi influence has been expunged from the party, especially when control remains in the same family as the original leadership.
      - jdjdhnxni 11y ago
        The FN is seeing a very rapid rise in support among French Jews. I don't see how you can call them a neo-Nazi party when (a) they've publicly taken a stand against anti-semitism, (b) they've expelled all Nazi sympathizers, and (c) a large number of French Jews support them. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-24/anti-immigrant-le-pen-finds-rising-jewish-support-in-france http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-24/anti-immig... Opinion polls like Ifop show Cukierman’s comments reflect a growing reality. Between the last two presidential elections in 2007 and 2012, Jewish voters supporting the FN, the party’s acronym, more than tripled. The shift came after Marine Le Pen took over the helm in 2011, steering clear of her party-founder father Jean-Marie Le Pen’s anti-Semitic stance. In a comment to Bloomberg on the side lines of a conference in Paris Tuesday, Marine Le Pen made common cause with France’s Jews. “It’s the rise of Islamism that hits, hurts and kills,” she said. “It’s time to fight the danger threatening French Jews.” She welcomed Cukierman’s comments, saying “his words reveal an internal debate within the Jewish community. The comfortable idea that anti-Semitism is a right-wing theme is not true anymore and hasn’t been for decades.”

DanBC 11y ago

Do you have any examples?