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Uninstall Notepad++ if you have voted for FN
- iqonik 11y agoExcuse my ignorance, what is FN?
- sofaofthedamned 11y agoFront National, the right-wing anti immigration party in France. - clicked the wrong 'reply' button before.
- danilocesar 11y agoFar right, extreme right, radical right or even fascist right...
- sofaofthedamned 11y agoYeah I wasn't specific, was typing in a rush on the phone!
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- mrmondo 11y agoIs it just me or does Facebook seems like a really strange place for software announcements?
- fenomas 11y agoIt's more of a random political rant, surely. (and what better place than Facebook for that?)
- SnaKeZ 11y agoUnprofessional, this kind of announcement is childish
- morsch 11y agoI agree on both counts. Whereas voting for the racist FN is detestable.
- hbogert 11y agoNot respecting a democratic party is detestable.
- charliesome 11y agoWhat?? So all parties, no matter how vile or detestable their actions or beliefs, deserve my respect simply because they exist within a democratic system? That is a ludicrous argument.
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- oneeyedpigeon 11y agoThankfully, as far as Notepad++ is concerned, Open Source software doesn't have a requirement to be 'professional' and is free to take a political stance.
- jacquesm 11y agoWell, it may be to you. But the author is an immigrant and probably has strong emotional feelings about this. France is a house divided about this right now.
- leni536 11y agoBetter change the license then?
- dchest 11y agoMaybe format the hard drive of FN voters?
- zapu 11y agoGladly. There are better editors out there whose authors do not try to make political statements, as if their opinion mattered more because of software they happened to produce.
- VikingCoder 11y ago> whose authors do not try to make political statements I don't think there's anything wrong with having a political opinion - especially if the opinion is, "People who hate me for no good reason are kind of assholes." > as if their opinion mattered more I don't think the author thinks their opinion matters MORE - I think the author thinks their opinion is worth voicing.
- zapu 11y agoI have a lot of opinions myself as well, but I do not present them as my projects' opinions. Especially in things as polarizing as Europe's current immigration problem. This only causes heated discussions that are not related to software at all. Like in Facebook comments for the post linked.
- VikingCoder 11y agoIf no one listens to you, but lots of people listen to you when you put a certain hat on, and you feel the subject is an ethical imperative for you, then speak your mind, I say. Be prepared to deal with the consequences of course, which may include derision, abandonment, cynicism, or apathy.
- mintplant 11y agoYou know FN is Front National, France's neo-Nazi party - right? I don't see the problem with an open source project using what influence it has to take a stand against that.
- jdjdhnxn 11y agoThis is wrong. It may have in the past, but now it's more like the Donald Trump party. They've expelled neo-Nazi members like Le Pen's father.
- 746F7475 11y agoDoes someone actually still use Notepad++? Everyone I know has moved on years ago and now with Atom and stuff there really doesn't seem to be any selling points.
- Kristine1975 11y agoIt's small and fast. Atom is neither.
- free652 11y agoIt's much faster than Atom, try big log files :-)
- 746F7475 11y agoWhy wouldn't you just less that?
- azeirah 11y agoMANY people still use notepad++, it is significantly faster and mature.
- pjmlp 11y agoOf course. I want real native applications, not a browser shell.
- oneeyedpigeon 11y agoWhere do you draw the line here? Do you also refuse to use applications that use a GUI toolkit library?
- pjmlp 11y agoA full browser is not just GUI toolkit library. I draw the line in everything that uses a webview for purposes unrelated to rendering HTML.
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- free652 11y agoHe need to update his license from GPL then.
- fenomas 11y agoWhy? He didn't relicense his software to keep certain people from using it. He just got on facebook and ranted. Everyone's still perfectly free to ignore that and use his software, or not, or anything else. I'm really confused why so many commenters seem so put off by this.
- iSnow 11y agoBit over the top maybe? He's not invoking some license clauses, he is stating his opinion, free speech and all that...
- TurboHaskal 11y agoTypical leftist reaction on undesired democracy outcomes.
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- simondelacourt 11y agoWhy is this typical leftist? I see more of a typical angry reaction to something that happens in his country and somehow threatens his feeling of social security.
- TurboHaskal 11y agoOne can see left vs right as implicit vs overt bigotry.
- r-w 11y agoHow so?
- pluma 11y agoAs a German let me be the first to point out that "democracy outcomes" aren't inherently morally superior. Pre-WW2 Germany was a democracy. The NSDAP was a political party in a democratic system. Hitler was an elected official before Germany became a dictatorship. This is why most democracies have constitutions and a separation of power. Without oversight holding it accountable, democracy is no different from mob rule.
- r-w 11y agoCluocracy! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:CLUE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:CLUE
- gotchange 11y agoVery childish of him to make this statement. He could have presented his case to his constituency and demonstrated that immigrants bring a lot of positive things to their new communities and persuaded them to change or soften their position without being rash or confrontational. Very disappointing and counterproductive.
- oneeyedpigeon 11y agoThis is merely a form of protest. Are you claiming that any form of protest other than the - rather vague - one you've proposed is invalid?
- gotchange 11y agoI didn't question his rights to protest however he deems fit. I just brought up the point that he could have done better to achieve his political goals without resorting to escalation or inflammatory rhetoric esp. since this is his first communique regarding this issue. Brinkmanship and belligerence don't work most of the time and you have to seek a gradual and pragmatist approach to tackle social causes.
- Raed667 11y agoI think that he has every right to use whatever platform he has to communicate.
- alfapla 11y agoFor Christ sake, this is a guy who writes a very useful text editor and hands it out for free. He's not the UN ambassador of global political reconciliation, as you seem to believe.
- egeozcan 11y agoI'm also an immigrant, I'm living in Germany. It is probably not surprising to most that I despise all flavors of nationalism. On the other hand, these are all irrelevant when I see someone abusing their status or reach to spread a political message, whatever the content. It's irritating.
- gotchange 11y agoIt's bit patronizing too. "Hey freeloaders, you've been leeching off my work for a long time now but the time has come for you to pay me in endorsements of my political position or cease to use my product".
- r-w 11y agoWhy do you see this as “abuse” rather than “use”?
- egeozcan 11y agoBecause the status is gained through people trusting his/her programming skills, not political opinions. As a side-note, yes, I also think it's an abuse of power when movie-stars make comments on what cause to support, therefore, IMHO, messing with peoples priorities. In short, yes it's perfectly fine from a legal* and social (as long as you agree with them) standpoint that they do so but to me it feels like abuse. * I am not a lawyer.
- notjosh 11y agoHehe, well if you're in Germany, you can't use Treefinder (http://www.treefinder.de/ http://www.treefinder.de/) then. > Starting from 1st October 2015, I do no longer permit the usage of my TREEFINDER software in the following EU countries: Germany, Austria, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Great Britain, Sweden, Denmark - the countries that together host most of the non-european immigrants.
- egeozcan 11y agoAh, exactly what I'm trying to point. Now we would have to find a liberal-friendly version of that software if we needed it? It would really hinder progress if this were to become a "thing". I find it destructive when authors of software with a "Google Reader effect" on their market (maybe this is not so for the "Treefinder" example, I'm talking in general), abuse their position to push for their political agenda.
- nraynaud 11y agoIn France the left is still feeling guilty about the 1938 Munich conference and the whole Pétain government, so we feel that if shit hits the fan, our prior behavior will be judged too.
- codeshaman 11y agoSoftware licensing under politically motivated terms is not entirely unreasonable and I think we should start doing it more. For instance, I totally disagree with the fact that open source software ends up powering weapons or are used as tools to repress and control people. GPL is one example of a socio-political cause enforced upon it's users. So why not use licensing for other socio-political causes ? My next open source library will definitely have clauses like: - Cannot be used for terrorist activities of any kind. May God strike you down if you do. - Cannot be used inside military apps. You agree to immediate capitulation the moment the first line of my code is executed inside a military appliance. - Cannot be used by certain political parties, governments, etc. I mean, it's nice to be nice to everyone, but fuck it. There're lots of assholes out there who's success is not in my interest or anyone else's interest, except a group of delusional leaders. I don't want to be a contributing factor to their success. Let them write their own software. So free software developers can and should get creative with this. I don't know a lot about this particular Notepad++ case, but I totally agree with what the author did - it's his choice after all.
- fenomas 11y agoHe hasn't relicensed his software, has he? He just told certain people not to use it. They're not under any obligation to listen to him.
- r-w 11y agoI’m no fan of any party that advocates xenophobia in any form, but this is no way to change minds. Still, I wouldn’t call it childish for the dev to use his platform to speak out against anti-immigration policy: calling someone “childish” is an unnecessarily condescending way of saying you think their actions aren’t well-thought-out. If you argue it’s an abuse of power, take a look at the Web’s response to SOPA/PIPA and tell me the objective difference.
- song 11y agoDuring the SOPA/PIPA legislation, multiple websites went dark to protest against the legislation. People in HN applauded it. Why is it now childish for an opensource software developer to express his disappointment in this way? What is the difference? The FN is a fascist party, as an immigrant living in France the author is concerned about this development and I understand him. Plus, honestly for people who voted FN, they might as well follow their "thoughts" (prejudices) through and stop using software made by hated immigrants. As a French person, I'm ashamed that this country will now join the ranks of Italy and Austria as a country that elected fascists leaders.
- zapu 11y agoProbably different people were applauding it then from the people that call this childish now? HN is not an singular entity, an overmind made of people who think exactly the same.
- thiht 11y ago>The FN is a fascist party No it's not, if it was it would have been forbidden long ago according to french laws. I suggest you check the definition of fascism, you'll be surprised who currently fits in the definition in France.
- LBarret 11y agoIt is not forbidden, but it was condemned many times including for talk about concentration camps or jews. For a long time, it was borderline. And It has a very dark history: - During the Algeria war, its founder (JM Le Pen), then in the army, used torture. - In the 90', the security force of the FN (Skinheads) killed a man (throwing him in the Seine). Nowadays, its communication is way less agressive but it is the same core. Currently, of its voters : - 92% thinks there are too many non-white people in france - 36% of its voters thinks some races are superior to others. FN played its card well : it convinced many french that their current economic distress is caused by immigrants, Europe and anything coming from outside. Its political agenda is a big pile of fantasy about the France of 50' (powerful and white). And its economic program is laughable. Well, that would be fun if it wasn't so serious and so sad.
- drinchev 11y agoCool. I'm also living in a different country than the country where I was born. I also hate discrimination as much as the OP. Sadly I don't believe the control is in our hands. Usually people choose their governments via media nowadays and media are really, really bad. I would suggest the author to forbid TV/Websites using his editor for commercial purposes if they run political campaigns. That will surely have great impact than discriminating people that have been vacuumed by that fake rush of "loosing our nation", etc.
- RightWingRabble 11y ago> Usually people choose their governments via media nowadays and media are really, really bad. In the US maybe, but not in france. There's been very little pro-nationalist coverage in france, even after the attack. The rise of nationalism has more to do with the french observing the changes happening in their own neighborhoods and not wanting their country to become an Islamic nation.
- commentzorro 11y ago>> people choose their governments via media nowadays... I'm in the U.S. and this is quite true. Then again, it think it always has been. The difference now is that the media is owned by a the parties (or the parties and the media have become one) and simply push the party line rather than pushing a particular candidate. And the particular candidate that will move the nation farthest in the party/media's direction gets the most positive attention. And any candidate from the opposite side becomes "Hitler Satan" (TM). >> ...media are really, really bad. No, the media has become really, really good! It's just that what their good at is not what you think you want out of media. Once you realize the media exists to corral and direct you rather than inform you, you begin to see how truly good they've become.
- baal80spam 11y agoThanks for the heads up, uninstalling right now!
- chatsap 11y agoPeople have their own POV. It should be respected. There are other ways to voice intolerance for a particular political party or belief. Arm twisting people because you have the best text editor doesn't sound right.
- restalis 11y agoWow, this is radical! Don't forget that politics is a miserable thing (although we'd love to dress it clean about the topics we care). There is enough politics in FOSS about the FOSS, we surely don't need to bring more about something else! Please abstain yourselves from following this regrettable example of Notepad++.
- hokkos 11y agoThis guy is not very tolerant himself : https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=782849241825586&id=100003015530248 https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=7828492418... what he said is worst than anything the present FN has said.
- lostmsu 11y agoSeems like it is a good way to peacefully fight religion.