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It is Spanish cultural patrimony in the same way Rosseta Stone is British patrimony. Legally it is owned by Spain.
by jorgon 11y ago
It is Spanish cultural patrimony in the same way Rosseta Stone is British patrimony. Legally it is owned by Spain.
- RobertoG 11y agoI doubt that, legally, a shipwreck of colonial times in Colombian waters is owned by Spain. And I would like to think that most of the Spaniards agree with that.
- joeyspn 11y agoWell, technically Colombia was then part of the Spanish Empire, and that galleon belongs to the Spanish Crown. I personally don't mind but knowing how low gold is in the spanish central bank, probably the spanish gov will make some kind of move to get back its "historical heritage"...
- rockyleal 11y agoEmpire which was revoked due to being an illegitimate and genocidal regime. Your argument suggests they should be allowed to re-steal now what they would have stolen back then.
- joeyspn 11y agoNo, I'm not saying that they should be allowed to re-steal. I said that I don't care about a shipwreck, but the spanish government has been known to claim this kind of finds in the past because technically that is a Spanish ship and legal precedents exist. Also, all the global empires have been built on the same coercive foundation, and that doesn't make them "regimes".
- jorgon 11y agoSome American talking about genocide... That's really a joke!
- joeyspn 11y agoThe reduction of the North American Indian population from an estimated 12 million in 1500 to barely 237,000 in 1900 represents a"vast genocide", the most sustained on record. http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/7302 http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/7302 Well, it looks like there was, in fact, a vast genocide. In the north and also the south americas. Really sad...
- rockyleal 11y agoWho said I am American?
- maxerickson 11y agoI guess the details aren't the same, but Spain has asserted legal rights over shipwrecks in the past: http://www.tulanemaritimejournal.org/finders-weepers-losers-keepers-eleventh-circuit-denies-salvage-companys-claims-sunken-military-vessel-found-international-waters-odyssey-marine-exploration-inc-v-unidentif/ http://www.tulanemaritimejournal.org/finders-weepers-losers-...
- ZenoArrow 11y agoI'm British and I don't believe the Rosetta Stone belongs to Britain. However, that's probably a minority view, many people here in Britain are still brainwashed about the glory of empire and all the good it did for the world.
- andrepd 11y agoThe same could be said about every historical artifact not in display in its native nation. Should we repatriate all artifacts and pieces of art to its original nation?
- rockyleal 11y agoLegally? Going by whose laws? The legitimate owners of all that wealth are the indigenous inhabitants of the territory it was extracted from by invaders. According to indigenous law, it is definitively NOT legally owned by Spain.
- golergka 11y ago> indigenous law Are you referring to some particular legal entity here, or just an overall concept?
- justinator 11y agoI agree with you (somewhat). In other cases, Spain has won the rights over salvaged treasure from sunken Spanish ships, as the countries they plundered the gold from weren't countries at the time, but colonies of Spain (for example: Peru). Sincerely, if this is in International waters, you would think there was a expiry date of shipwrecks and it's finders-keepers after, Oh, I dunno, a few hundred years or so.