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It does not matter whether programming is marketable or not. What matter is that the results of programming, such as Google Search or Facebook, are highly marke

by gizi 11y ago

It does not matter whether programming is marketable or not. What matter is that the results of programming, such as Google Search or Facebook, are highly marketable. Mistake number one: never sell yourself. Only sell the result of your efforts, and preferable not to middlemen, but directly to the real buyer. That is how you create hundreds of billions of dollars in value.

mattlutze 11y ago
You're flooding this comment thread with these posts. A single person didn't build any of these billion dollar companies you're referencing; at some point they had to hire more people, who in turn "sold themselves" by your confused logic, to build the company. Most of these halo companies have non-programmers who were brought in to monetize and grow the value in them. Sheryl Sandberg isn't a programmer nor I think the rest of that board. Eric Schmidt was an electrical engineer.
- gizi 11y ago
  You see, I don't like the mentality that exudes from "How to price a programmer". Furthermore, this site, "Hacker News", is not supposed to be upvoting that kind of posts, because in that case, the people on this site are not hackers at all. The vote here has obviously been subverted. But then again, it does not matter. Making billions is not a matter of voting or misguided pseudo-democracy. Mark Zuckerberg made hundreds of billions because he is undoubtedly a great hacker. All the misguided voting on the planet will not change anything to that. The battlefield is the marketplace and not the voting nonsense.
  - jacquesm 11y ago
    How to price a programmer is a legitimate subject of discussion on a website where a large portion of the audience derives their bread-and-butter from being exactly that, programmers. What 'hacker news' is or is not supposed to be upvoting is only fragmentary up to you, the value of your one vote which you may withhold as you please. There isn't a day that goes by without some relative newcomer here saying with great authority what HN should or should not be. Hint: HN existed long before you arrived and the charter is broad enough that it is probably not possible for any single individual to pontificate on what HN should or should not be without considerable care about representing viewpoints different than their own. Your comment fails that particular test. HN is made up from individuals from all walks of life, and some of us are currently in the job cycle where an article that gives information on how to improve their lives is important enough to share with others. Making billions, Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook have nothing to do with the subject at hand, and if you recognize that the battlefield is the marketplace then maybe you can also recognize that programmers are active on that marketplace and that tools to help determine their value are in fact useful and worthy of discussion.
    - gizi 11y ago
      If someone wants a tool to "determine their value" he is already asking the wrong question. It is his work that should have value. I can only feel sorry for people who believe that they should be the product and not their work.
- jacquesm 11y ago
  Schmidt actually is a programmer, he re-wrote a good chunk of lex.

by gizi 11y ago

mattlutze 11y ago

You're flooding this comment thread with these posts. A single person didn't build any of these billion dollar companies you're referencing; at some point they had to hire more people, who in turn "sold themselves" by your confused logic, to build the company. Most of these halo companies have non-programmers who were brought in to monetize and grow the value in them. Sheryl Sandberg isn't a programmer nor I think the rest of that board. Eric Schmidt was an electrical engineer.

gizi 11y ago
You see, I don't like the mentality that exudes from "How to price a programmer". Furthermore, this site, "Hacker News", is not supposed to be upvoting that kind of posts, because in that case, the people on this site are not hackers at all. The vote here has obviously been subverted. But then again, it does not matter. Making billions is not a matter of voting or misguided pseudo-democracy. Mark Zuckerberg made hundreds of billions because he is undoubtedly a great hacker. All the misguided voting on the planet will not change anything to that. The battlefield is the marketplace and not the voting nonsense.
- jacquesm 11y ago
  How to price a programmer is a legitimate subject of discussion on a website where a large portion of the audience derives their bread-and-butter from being exactly that, programmers. What 'hacker news' is or is not supposed to be upvoting is only fragmentary up to you, the value of your one vote which you may withhold as you please. There isn't a day that goes by without some relative newcomer here saying with great authority what HN should or should not be. Hint: HN existed long before you arrived and the charter is broad enough that it is probably not possible for any single individual to pontificate on what HN should or should not be without considerable care about representing viewpoints different than their own. Your comment fails that particular test. HN is made up from individuals from all walks of life, and some of us are currently in the job cycle where an article that gives information on how to improve their lives is important enough to share with others. Making billions, Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook have nothing to do with the subject at hand, and if you recognize that the battlefield is the marketplace then maybe you can also recognize that programmers are active on that marketplace and that tools to help determine their value are in fact useful and worthy of discussion.
  - gizi 11y ago
    If someone wants a tool to "determine their value" he is already asking the wrong question. It is his work that should have value. I can only feel sorry for people who believe that they should be the product and not their work.
jacquesm 11y ago
Schmidt actually is a programmer, he re-wrote a good chunk of lex.