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Christian used to mean "Follower of an obscure Jewish apocalyptic heresy." Christians used to believe the world would end before the Christ's original followers

by cbd1984 11y ago

Christian used to mean "Follower of an obscure Jewish apocalyptic heresy." Christians used to believe the world would end before the Christ's original followers had all died. ("Christ" used to be a title, too, not a name. His name was Joshua, son of Joseph.) What does it mean now? Frankly, the redefinition of "Humanism" is barely a semantic shift compared to that.

baldfat 11y ago
> Christians used to believe the world would end before the Christ's original followers had all died. I am guessing you heard this in a college class or some academic. Warning non-theological academics are incredibly lazy in terms of research and will take 30 seconds to form an opinion with no reference to anything else. Heck I had a "World Renowned" speciallist explain that the New Testament was written 100 to 200 years later and that their was no evidence of even Pontious Pilot. I raised my hand and explained that he read 1700's liberal theology started from Hermann Samuel Reimarus in the "Search for the Historical Jesus." TO bad archiology had proved all the points false and I was willing to talk with him after class. After 5 minutes of mockery I raised my hand and said you really don't want to hear about facts right now do you? His reply, "F___ No." I then sent an email later on and he actually sent me an apology, but the harm is done with false research. It just spreads bad academics and then this stops the ability for people to talk to each other on a level playing field. This was due to Paul's writing that he thought the parousia (Return of Christ) would happen before he died. 1 Thessalonians 4:15 We tell you this directly from the Lord: We who are still living when the Lord returns will not meet him ahead of those who have died Later on he wrote it this way. 2 Corinthians 1:8 Yes, we are fully confident, and we would rather be away from these earthly bodies, for then we will be at home with the Lord. Paul was beheaded years before the next book of the New Testament was even written.
- cbd1984 11y ago
  That's interesting, but this is actually what I had in mind: http://biblehub.com/matthew/16-28.htm http://biblehub.com/matthew/16-28.htm Matthew 16:28 > Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. http://biblehub.com/mark/9-1.htm http://biblehub.com/mark/9-1.htm Mark 9:1 > And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. I'm sure that can be interpreted many ways, but the meaning seems pretty clear: Jesus himself supposedly said in a sermon that there were people listening to him who would not die before he came back. Even better, perhaps, is Matthew 24:34 (also in other gospels, of course): http://biblehub.com/matthew/24-34.htm http://biblehub.com/matthew/24-34.htm > Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. It's always possible to interpret things. However, that is, if anything, even clearer than the above, and interpreting it some other way seems more like a method of getting out of a failed prophecy than legitimate textual analysis.

by cbd1984 11y ago

baldfat 11y ago

> Christians used to believe the world would end before the Christ's original followers had all died. I am guessing you heard this in a college class or some academic. Warning non-theological academics are incredibly lazy in terms of research and will take 30 seconds to form an opinion with no reference to anything else. Heck I had a "World Renowned" speciallist explain that the New Testament was written 100 to 200 years later and that their was no evidence of even Pontious Pilot. I raised my hand and explained that he read 1700's liberal theology started from Hermann Samuel Reimarus in the "Search for the Historical Jesus." TO bad archiology had proved all the points false and I was willing to talk with him after class. After 5 minutes of mockery I raised my hand and said you really don't want to hear about facts right now do you? His reply, "F___ No." I then sent an email later on and he actually sent me an apology, but the harm is done with false research. It just spreads bad academics and then this stops the ability for people to talk to each other on a level playing field. This was due to Paul's writing that he thought the parousia (Return of Christ) would happen before he died. 1 Thessalonians 4:15 We tell you this directly from the Lord: We who are still living when the Lord returns will not meet him ahead of those who have died Later on he wrote it this way. 2 Corinthians 1:8 Yes, we are fully confident, and we would rather be away from these earthly bodies, for then we will be at home with the Lord. Paul was beheaded years before the next book of the New Testament was even written.

cbd1984 11y ago
That's interesting, but this is actually what I had in mind: http://biblehub.com/matthew/16-28.htm http://biblehub.com/matthew/16-28.htm Matthew 16:28 > Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. http://biblehub.com/mark/9-1.htm http://biblehub.com/mark/9-1.htm Mark 9:1 > And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. I'm sure that can be interpreted many ways, but the meaning seems pretty clear: Jesus himself supposedly said in a sermon that there were people listening to him who would not die before he came back. Even better, perhaps, is Matthew 24:34 (also in other gospels, of course): http://biblehub.com/matthew/24-34.htm http://biblehub.com/matthew/24-34.htm > Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. It's always possible to interpret things. However, that is, if anything, even clearer than the above, and interpreting it some other way seems more like a method of getting out of a failed prophecy than legitimate textual analysis.