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"Apple, the first major computer company to make Open Source development a key part of its software strategy" Wait what? Am I missing something here

peterhadlaw 11y ago
You're not alone in your confusion.
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shykes 11y ago
I guess they're referring to projects like Darwin (released in 2000) and Webkit (open-sourced in 2005). They also invested heavily in LLVM starting in 2005. Those are all major strategic investments into open-source, at a time where companies like Microsoft, Google and Amazon were not making any comparable investments that I can think of. For example, in 2005 Android was freshly acquired by Google, Chrome was still 3 years away. Go was introduced in 2009. One exception I can think of is IBM which invested heavily in Linux around the same time Apple was open-sourcing Darwin. Overall, their claim is arguable but certainly not without merit. EDIT: remember when IBM covered the streets of San Francisco in Linux graffiti, and were threatened with a huge fine when the paint didn't wash off as planned? http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/news/2001-04-25-ibm-linux-graffiti.htm http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/news/2001-04-25-ibm-linu...
- TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
  There's also Sun, who open-sourced StarOffice in 2000.
  - nnutter 11y ago
    That's where the ambiguity of "major computer company" comes in. Probably the same with IBM. They are probably implying "major personal computer company" but couldn't say "major PC company" because PC = Windows.
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      - TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
        > Apple is the only one keeping the PC misnomer alive today (and should really cut it out; see: misnomer). Not really. Apple's usage of the word "PC" reflects popular usage.
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        TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
        Maybe the technical world. Ask the person on the street if a Mac is a PC, and I don't think they'd answer the same.
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      - sargun 11y ago
        Dell, HP, and Lenovo all got together to make a marketing push behind "PC Does What" (http://www.pcdoeswhat.com/ http://www.pcdoeswhat.com/). It seems like they're embracing the name "PC"
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    - ajdlinux 11y ago
      Remember the good old days when IBM made PCs? :P
    - omerhj 11y ago
      Apple used to call their computers personal computers: https://archive.org/stream/byte-magazine-1979-08/1979_08_BYTE_04-08_LISP#page/n16/mode/1up https://archive.org/stream/byte-magazine-1979-08/1979_08_BYT... It's funny how IBM was able to hijack the term.
- ajdlinux 11y ago
  WebKit was a fork of KDE's KHTML engine, and so had to be open source from the outset. IIRC, in the early days Apple was not on good terms with KHTML upstream and weren't exactly model participants in the open source community.
  - DiThi 11y ago
    They basically started the development of WebKit in secret based on KHTML despite having to release the source when they released Safari. The result was two codebases too different to merge, and the improvements couldn't go "back to the community" without discarding many other improvements, not to mention the work needed to integrate it into KDE.
  - tzs 11y ago
    > WebKit was a fork of KDE's KHTML engine, and so had to be open source from the outset. Parts of it had to be open source. Apple could have made a lot of WebKit closed if they had wanted to since KHTML is LGPL, not GPL, and much of Apple's additions could have been kept as separate modules.
  - coldtea 11y ago
    >WebKit was a fork of KDE's KHTML engine, and so had to be open source from the outset. On the other hand it didn't have to be a fork. They could have gone for the NIH way, and make their own totally controller rendering engine. Especially given that Apple's WebKit additions totally dwarfed KHTML.
TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
Thinking about it a bit, this claim would probably be true if only they added "one of" before "the first".

peterhadlaw 11y ago

You're not alone in your confusion.

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shykes 11y ago

I guess they're referring to projects like Darwin (released in 2000) and Webkit (open-sourced in 2005). They also invested heavily in LLVM starting in 2005. Those are all major strategic investments into open-source, at a time where companies like Microsoft, Google and Amazon were not making any comparable investments that I can think of. For example, in 2005 Android was freshly acquired by Google, Chrome was still 3 years away. Go was introduced in 2009. One exception I can think of is IBM which invested heavily in Linux around the same time Apple was open-sourcing Darwin. Overall, their claim is arguable but certainly not without merit. EDIT: remember when IBM covered the streets of San Francisco in Linux graffiti, and were threatened with a huge fine when the paint didn't wash off as planned? http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/news/2001-04-25-ibm-linux-graffiti.htm http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/tech/news/2001-04-25-ibm-linu...

TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
There's also Sun, who open-sourced StarOffice in 2000.
- nnutter 11y ago
  That's where the ambiguity of "major computer company" comes in. Probably the same with IBM. They are probably implying "major personal computer company" but couldn't say "major PC company" because PC = Windows.
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    - TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
      > Apple is the only one keeping the PC misnomer alive today (and should really cut it out; see: misnomer). Not really. Apple's usage of the word "PC" reflects popular usage.
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        TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
        Maybe the technical world. Ask the person on the street if a Mac is a PC, and I don't think they'd answer the same.
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    - sargun 11y ago
      Dell, HP, and Lenovo all got together to make a marketing push behind "PC Does What" (http://www.pcdoeswhat.com/ http://www.pcdoeswhat.com/). It seems like they're embracing the name "PC"
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  - ajdlinux 11y ago
    Remember the good old days when IBM made PCs? :P
  - omerhj 11y ago
    Apple used to call their computers personal computers: https://archive.org/stream/byte-magazine-1979-08/1979_08_BYTE_04-08_LISP#page/n16/mode/1up https://archive.org/stream/byte-magazine-1979-08/1979_08_BYT... It's funny how IBM was able to hijack the term.
ajdlinux 11y ago
WebKit was a fork of KDE's KHTML engine, and so had to be open source from the outset. IIRC, in the early days Apple was not on good terms with KHTML upstream and weren't exactly model participants in the open source community.
- DiThi 11y ago
  They basically started the development of WebKit in secret based on KHTML despite having to release the source when they released Safari. The result was two codebases too different to merge, and the improvements couldn't go "back to the community" without discarding many other improvements, not to mention the work needed to integrate it into KDE.
- tzs 11y ago
  > WebKit was a fork of KDE's KHTML engine, and so had to be open source from the outset. Parts of it had to be open source. Apple could have made a lot of WebKit closed if they had wanted to since KHTML is LGPL, not GPL, and much of Apple's additions could have been kept as separate modules.
- coldtea 11y ago
  >WebKit was a fork of KDE's KHTML engine, and so had to be open source from the outset. On the other hand it didn't have to be a fork. They could have gone for the NIH way, and make their own totally controller rendering engine. Especially given that Apple's WebKit additions totally dwarfed KHTML.

TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago

Thinking about it a bit, this claim would probably be true if only they added "one of" before "the first".