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I'd prefer to not have these "discovery mechanisms" exist in my browser at all. If I want said functionality, I should be able to install it using a browser ex

by epoch1970 11y ago

I'd prefer to not have these "discovery mechanisms" exist in my browser at all. If I want said functionality, I should be able to install it using a browser extension. Unless I opt in like that, my computer's resources should not be wasted on something I don't even want in the first place.

tyre 11y ago
How do you suggest Mozilla makes money?
- stonogo 11y ago
  Charge?
  - krapp 11y ago
    Why would users start paying money for a browser which is surrounded by free competitors (including forks of Firefox?)
    - rickycook 11y ago
      because if they made it less bloated, perform well, and focused on real UX then they might produce the only browser that doesn't suck in some way and that's worth paying for considering how long many of us spend in browsers every day
      - krapp 11y ago
        And then someone forks it under another name and offers it for free, because it's open source and you can do that.
        tedunangst 11y ago
        But I was promised users will pay for support for open source!
- deleted 11y ago
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- greglindahl 11y ago
  The "discovery mechanisms" we're talking about aren't the search deals that currently make all of Mozilla's money.
- Khaine 11y ago
  Why do they have to make money? Mozilla is a not for profit, collect donations like most other OSS entities. Its clear they have no idea how to monetise anything to support the not-for-profit, so why bother and go back to the tried and true donations model.
  - Ygg2 11y ago
    Because people need to eat and money buys food. Would donations model work? There is a difference making Wikipedia work, and making Mozilla work.
    - Khaine 11y ago
      The people who make FreeBSD, OpenBSD and many other open source products need to eat and buy food. They do it without all of this bullshit, why can't mozilla?
      - Ygg2 11y ago
        They also seem way smaller than Mozilla. You're essentially saying, Firefox can't keep up with Chrome lets hack its limbs and see whether that will work.
        Khaine 11y ago
        No, most of the money in Mozilla goes for stuff that is outside of making Firefox, e.g. Firefox OS and community engagement. Firefox was made great without all of this monetising, it can be made great again without it as well.

tyre 11y ago

How do you suggest Mozilla makes money?

stonogo 11y ago
Charge?
- krapp 11y ago
  Why would users start paying money for a browser which is surrounded by free competitors (including forks of Firefox?)
  - rickycook 11y ago
    because if they made it less bloated, perform well, and focused on real UX then they might produce the only browser that doesn't suck in some way and that's worth paying for considering how long many of us spend in browsers every day
    - krapp 11y ago
      And then someone forks it under another name and offers it for free, because it's open source and you can do that.
      - tedunangst 11y ago
        But I was promised users will pay for support for open source!
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greglindahl 11y ago
The "discovery mechanisms" we're talking about aren't the search deals that currently make all of Mozilla's money.
Khaine 11y ago
Why do they have to make money? Mozilla is a not for profit, collect donations like most other OSS entities. Its clear they have no idea how to monetise anything to support the not-for-profit, so why bother and go back to the tried and true donations model.
- Ygg2 11y ago
  Because people need to eat and money buys food. Would donations model work? There is a difference making Wikipedia work, and making Mozilla work.
  - Khaine 11y ago
    The people who make FreeBSD, OpenBSD and many other open source products need to eat and buy food. They do it without all of this bullshit, why can't mozilla?
    - Ygg2 11y ago
      They also seem way smaller than Mozilla. You're essentially saying, Firefox can't keep up with Chrome lets hack its limbs and see whether that will work.
      - Khaine 11y ago
        No, most of the money in Mozilla goes for stuff that is outside of making Firefox, e.g. Firefox OS and community engagement. Firefox was made great without all of this monetising, it can be made great again without it as well.