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Do literally all Muslims despise the IS? After thousands of Turkish football fans starting chanting "allahu akbar" during the minute of silence for the Paris at

by mahouse 11y ago

Do literally all Muslims despise the IS? After thousands of Turkish football fans starting chanting "allahu akbar" during the minute of silence for the Paris attacks, I would not agree. Who are the Muslims that support the IS?

tajen 11y ago
I am (white, Christian) French. I don't support the "minute" of silence. It means there is a full range of opinions which lead one to not recognizing the minute of silence. I'll detail my opinion for an example, but many other opinions must be respected too. 1. We don't do a minute of silence for 300 ppl per month who die in car accidents. Nor for 200 per fortnight for passive second hand smoking. The characteristics are the same: They're innocent, they're taken away suddenly in atrocious conditions, and they're taken at random. 2. A minute of silence, whether you like it or not, is a political gesture. The more we do a minute of silence, the less there will be opposition to repressive actions by the gouvernent. Look: the law says the Etat d'Urgence is limited to 15 days, they've extended it to 3 months and they want to extend it to a Permanent Etat d'Urgence. 3. We don't listen to terrorists. They may be protesting against very legitimate things with a very similar number of crimes. As a citizen of the occident, I am collectively responsible for Guantanamo and Irak and Palestine and all wars that have destroyed the future of youngsters in those countries. Who's to say I should do a minute of silence for the French and not for the Palestinians or Iraqis who have been subjected to torture? 4. A minute of silence will encourage France to perform war. Terrorism cannot be won with war. We're just destroying someone's land in a country where I don't know the cultural situation. 100% sure we are creating tomorrow's terrorists. 5. Those terrorists? They were born in France. It's a failure of our social system. We are racist, we don't give them enough future economically. I once was an Australian immigrant: When there's huge bucks to be made, there's no time for subversion. 6. France is in economic dismay. Hence the difficulty of the youth to earn enough for an optimistic living. Hence please don't send an aircraft carrier, we're digging our debt, if not or grave. With two billions, let's hire teachers and lower our taxes on wages so we can get more jobs. 7. Let's not give the terrorists what they wanted: Everyone is impressed by the violence, so during the next 10 years well start to think it's normal that all concert halls have to have x-more entrances. Those will have a huge cost on culture. We'll say it's normal to implement stringent security measures, without looking at the cost. I bet people will even use it as an excuse for everything: "Because of security measure, you are required to ditch your bottle of water, pay per card, hire the official coach instead of walking there, ...". A minute of silence today, and during 15 years any objection to everyday security will be frowned upon. I don't support the terrorists. But I don't support government-sponsored minutes of silence either. And I say this as a white, male, French, conservatist person.
ameen 11y ago
A common misconception, further distorted by the Media. http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/an-explanation-for-why-turkey-fans-appeared-to-boo-minutes-silence-for-paris-attack-victims/ http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/an-explanation-for-why-tur... TL;DR: Cultural difference. In Turkey, the "moment of silence" is used to chant for those who died in the attacks. They were not saying "Allahu Akbar", they were saying “Şehitler ölmez, vatan bölünmez”. Translation: “Martyrs, they do not die (they are immortal), homeland (land, our land) is indivisible." Those who die in the attacks are considered martyrs, not those responsible. "Homeland" in this instance would be considered France. Coming to your final point, every Muslim I know whether they practice or not hates terrorists. Earlier (those in rural regions) they had been fed propaganda that these were freedom fighters who had been discredited as terrorists since they were seen as fighting western aggression and invaders. Once they were shown instances of Marines/U.S. Army helping out/rescuing civilians in war-torn countries their entire perception is overturned, first it's disbelief that they would help the civilians, and later they understand that they're just humans looking for a better world as well and had only been doing their duty, and that countries & civilians pay the price for their leaders' arrogance & sins.

by mahouse 11y ago

tajen 11y ago

I am (white, Christian) French. I don't support the "minute" of silence. It means there is a full range of opinions which lead one to not recognizing the minute of silence. I'll detail my opinion for an example, but many other opinions must be respected too. 1. We don't do a minute of silence for 300 ppl per month who die in car accidents. Nor for 200 per fortnight for passive second hand smoking. The characteristics are the same: They're innocent, they're taken away suddenly in atrocious conditions, and they're taken at random. 2. A minute of silence, whether you like it or not, is a political gesture. The more we do a minute of silence, the less there will be opposition to repressive actions by the gouvernent. Look: the law says the Etat d'Urgence is limited to 15 days, they've extended it to 3 months and they want to extend it to a Permanent Etat d'Urgence. 3. We don't listen to terrorists. They may be protesting against very legitimate things with a very similar number of crimes. As a citizen of the occident, I am collectively responsible for Guantanamo and Irak and Palestine and all wars that have destroyed the future of youngsters in those countries. Who's to say I should do a minute of silence for the French and not for the Palestinians or Iraqis who have been subjected to torture? 4. A minute of silence will encourage France to perform war. Terrorism cannot be won with war. We're just destroying someone's land in a country where I don't know the cultural situation. 100% sure we are creating tomorrow's terrorists. 5. Those terrorists? They were born in France. It's a failure of our social system. We are racist, we don't give them enough future economically. I once was an Australian immigrant: When there's huge bucks to be made, there's no time for subversion. 6. France is in economic dismay. Hence the difficulty of the youth to earn enough for an optimistic living. Hence please don't send an aircraft carrier, we're digging our debt, if not or grave. With two billions, let's hire teachers and lower our taxes on wages so we can get more jobs. 7. Let's not give the terrorists what they wanted: Everyone is impressed by the violence, so during the next 10 years well start to think it's normal that all concert halls have to have x-more entrances. Those will have a huge cost on culture. We'll say it's normal to implement stringent security measures, without looking at the cost. I bet people will even use it as an excuse for everything: "Because of security measure, you are required to ditch your bottle of water, pay per card, hire the official coach instead of walking there, ...". A minute of silence today, and during 15 years any objection to everyday security will be frowned upon. I don't support the terrorists. But I don't support government-sponsored minutes of silence either. And I say this as a white, male, French, conservatist person.

ameen 11y ago

A common misconception, further distorted by the Media. http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/an-explanation-for-why-turkey-fans-appeared-to-boo-minutes-silence-for-paris-attack-victims/ http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/an-explanation-for-why-tur... TL;DR: Cultural difference. In Turkey, the "moment of silence" is used to chant for those who died in the attacks. They were not saying "Allahu Akbar", they were saying “Şehitler ölmez, vatan bölünmez”. Translation: “Martyrs, they do not die (they are immortal), homeland (land, our land) is indivisible." Those who die in the attacks are considered martyrs, not those responsible. "Homeland" in this instance would be considered France. Coming to your final point, every Muslim I know whether they practice or not hates terrorists. Earlier (those in rural regions) they had been fed propaganda that these were freedom fighters who had been discredited as terrorists since they were seen as fighting western aggression and invaders. Once they were shown instances of Marines/U.S. Army helping out/rescuing civilians in war-torn countries their entire perception is overturned, first it's disbelief that they would help the civilians, and later they understand that they're just humans looking for a better world as well and had only been doing their duty, and that countries & civilians pay the price for their leaders' arrogance & sins.