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The country that is shutting down nuclear power stations to burn more coal instead? Yeah, it's a great model...

by Grue3 11y ago

legulere 11y ago
They try to shut down nuclear and coal at the same time, with an emphasis on nuclear. This actually means that coal mostly stays the same. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Energiemix_Deutschland.svg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Energiem... (Black and brown are coal) The nuclear exit also isn't really an exit. The reactors are already over their lifetime they were first built. It's just that nobody replaces old reactors because building new ones is prohibitly expensive.
- johansch 11y ago
  The latter is not true. http://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/nuclear/swedish-energy-giant-vattenfall-nets-billions-for-nuclear-phaseout http://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/nuclear/swedish-e... "Japan's Fukushima disaster in 2011 precipitated Germany’s "Atomausstieg" (nuclear exit), a program to close down all German nuclear plants by 2021. The eight oldest nuclear power stations were closed down immediately. Two of these power plants are owned by the Swedish state-owned energy giant Vattenfall, which also operates power plants in several other European countries. In 2012 Vattenfall filed suit at the Washington-based International Center for Settlement of Investment Disputes (ICSID), demanding $6 billion in compensation."
  - kaybe 11y ago
    Not quite. It was decided in 2000 to stop building new plants and phase out the existing ones. In 2010, the phase-out period was increased by 8-14 years. Then, in 2011, this increase was undone again. So it was mainly about how long the remaining plants are being kept online. (see here (German) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomausstieg#Deutschland https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomausstieg#Deutschland )
- sliverstorm 11y ago
  Oh good, they're replacing nuclear with biomass...
oska 11y ago
The shut-down nuclear capacity has been more than replaced by renewables generation. [1] [1] www.energypost.eu/energiewende-dark-side/

The country that is shutting down nuclear power stations to burn more coal instead? Yeah, it's a great model...

by Grue3 11y ago

The country that is shutting down nuclear power stations to burn more coal instead? Yeah, it's a great model...

They try to shut down nuclear and coal at the same time, with an emphasis on nuclear. This actually means that coal mostly stays the same. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Energiemix_Deutschland.svg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Energiem... (Black and brown are coal) The nuclear exit also isn't really an exit. The reactors are already over their lifetime they were first built. It's just that nobody replaces old reactors because building new ones is prohibitly expensive.

johansch 11y ago
The latter is not true. http://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/nuclear/swedish-energy-giant-vattenfall-nets-billions-for-nuclear-phaseout http://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/nuclear/swedish-e... "Japan's Fukushima disaster in 2011 precipitated Germany’s "Atomausstieg" (nuclear exit), a program to close down all German nuclear plants by 2021. The eight oldest nuclear power stations were closed down immediately. Two of these power plants are owned by the Swedish state-owned energy giant Vattenfall, which also operates power plants in several other European countries. In 2012 Vattenfall filed suit at the Washington-based International Center for Settlement of Investment Disputes (ICSID), demanding $6 billion in compensation."
- kaybe 11y ago
  Not quite. It was decided in 2000 to stop building new plants and phase out the existing ones. In 2010, the phase-out period was increased by 8-14 years. Then, in 2011, this increase was undone again. So it was mainly about how long the remaining plants are being kept online. (see here (German) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomausstieg#Deutschland https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomausstieg#Deutschland )
sliverstorm 11y ago
Oh good, they're replacing nuclear with biomass...

oska 11y ago

The shut-down nuclear capacity has been more than replaced by renewables generation. [1] [1] www.energypost.eu/energiewende-dark-side/