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Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]:

Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard Zuck: Just ask Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS [Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one? Zuck: People just submitted it. Zuck: I don't know why. Zuck: They "trust me" Zuck: Dumb fucks

mattzito 11y ago
How old was he when he said that? 18? I look back on some of the stuff I said when I was 18 and it was a lot worse than this, and I think I'm a pretty decent guy overall. Big difference between a kid right out of high school and a 30-year old.
- fjfjcjsnd 11y ago
  While that may be true, he's directly calling people stupid for trusting him. That should give people at least some pause in being optimistic about his intentions.
- ekianjo 11y ago
  Some people change, and some others don't. Please don't assume bad people all change for the best, because it's rather the exception than the rule.
- AVTizzle 11y ago
  Exactly. Even to this day, depending on who I'm talking to, I say silly things in private - things that aren't representative of who I am or my intentions in the real world. It's not fair to look at someones private communications and judge them on it. Especially at 18. It's no way to measure a person.
  - pnt12 11y ago
    I get your point, but I can't help but think: we're talking about the importance of privacy regarding the founder and CEO of one of the most privacy invading websites ever. There's some irony there. Not that this means anything - I completely agree with you - but there's something 'funny' about it.
- galago 11y ago
  I think the reason people keep quoting this is because his maturity has caused him to quit talking about it--not quit doing it. His entire success and livelihood is the product of selling peoples personal information, often in ways that they don't understand.
- bjacks 11y ago
  Maybe you're not as decent as you think you are.
  - mattzito 11y ago
    Maybe not! Entirely possible. How could I possibly know, though? I just try to focus on being kind and empathetic to people, supportive to my coworkers and employees, be mindful of how my actions affect others, and when I screw up, try to do better the next time. I don't think there's much more than that most people can do.
- davnicwil 11y ago
  Thank you for saying this. It's so easy to criticise, judge and unfairly extrapolate based on what other people seem to have said or done according to a small, out of context quote, picture, video, etc. It's incredibly unfair and hypocritical to do so. We all need to just admit, as you've done, that we all say and do things all the time which would paint us in a very bad light if taken in the wrong context. As an obvious example, there are things that everyone says to friends that they'd never dream of saying to their boss, or parents, or their kids' teacher, or other friends for that matter. Judging Mark Zuckerberg based on this quote is exactly like that. He's not addressing an audience, he's not giving a considered summary of his world view or philosophy. Rather he's almost certainly joking with a friend, simply saying something abrasive just to give an impression of being confident or alpha etc, the way people sometimes do when they're joking- especially young, relatively unconfident people. We've all done that at some point. I'm 100% certain if his mother had walked into the room immediately after he'd said this and said 'Mark! Is that what you really think, that all your classmates are.. what did you call them.. dumb fucks?' he would have apologised profusely and corrected himself, clarifying that he was simply joking and said a silly thing in the heat of the moment. Like all teenagers do. Like all humans do.
  - robotresearcher 11y ago
    On the other hand, Zuckerberg has been richly, wildly rewarded, praised and glorified every moment since then. Where do the signals that guide improvement come from in that situation?
- zuckerg 11y ago
  I'd say that all of his actions since that date have been coherent; that at every turn he has dedicated a lot of energy to destroying privacy and reframing that as promoting openness. The prototypical example of this is the FB privacy panel which, last I checked, took more than 100 separate actions to set everything private. (making it very hard and confusing to get privacy). And there's been the incidents where FB then single-handedly undid some or all of those settings without notice. And then there's FB's participation in PRISM starting in 2009. he's dedicated enormous energy into destroying privacy and into selling us to others. As such... I tend to think he'd used more nuanced language now, but I absolutely believe he is a sociopath who has created a cancerous company that makes the world a materially worse place. I absolutely believe that all of his company's actions are aligned with his 18 year old's disrespect for other people. Some part of him is obviously a good dude... but his company is a fucking travesty.
  - Duhck 11y ago
    If you care about privacy enough perhaps Facebook just isn't the right social network to join? Facebook is an advertising platform, and the best one at that. It's also a place people post intimate details of their lives for others to see. I don't know that I find fault in their ability to use that data to better target you with ads or content.
- zobzu 11y ago
  by that rationale everything i said last year and all the shit ive done no longer matter because im 21 now. so you know, its no longer my responsibility. yeah, fuck that logic. you're extremely responsible at 18. moreso at 18 than at 70, if anything.
  - mattzito 11y ago
    It's not that it doesn't matter or that he's not responsible for his words. It's that as adults, over time, you develop a sense of perspective as your worldview broadens, and the things you believe or the way you might phrase something might be very difference once you've spent 5 or 10 years out in the world.
    - zobzu 11y ago
      Still responsible. Else no jail sentence should be more than 5 or 10 years either. Still failing logic.
- ionised 11y ago
  No, I think that very attitude has been very consistent since then and it's clear in the way Facebook operates and profits.
umaguma 11y ago
Wow. How many emails, pictures, addresses, SNS does he have now? And this is what made him so wealthy? Collecting personal information? Incredible.

mattzito 11y ago

How old was he when he said that? 18? I look back on some of the stuff I said when I was 18 and it was a lot worse than this, and I think I'm a pretty decent guy overall. Big difference between a kid right out of high school and a 30-year old.

fjfjcjsnd 11y ago
While that may be true, he's directly calling people stupid for trusting him. That should give people at least some pause in being optimistic about his intentions.
ekianjo 11y ago
Some people change, and some others don't. Please don't assume bad people all change for the best, because it's rather the exception than the rule.
AVTizzle 11y ago
Exactly. Even to this day, depending on who I'm talking to, I say silly things in private - things that aren't representative of who I am or my intentions in the real world. It's not fair to look at someones private communications and judge them on it. Especially at 18. It's no way to measure a person.
- pnt12 11y ago
  I get your point, but I can't help but think: we're talking about the importance of privacy regarding the founder and CEO of one of the most privacy invading websites ever. There's some irony there. Not that this means anything - I completely agree with you - but there's something 'funny' about it.
galago 11y ago
I think the reason people keep quoting this is because his maturity has caused him to quit talking about it--not quit doing it. His entire success and livelihood is the product of selling peoples personal information, often in ways that they don't understand.
bjacks 11y ago
Maybe you're not as decent as you think you are.
- mattzito 11y ago
  Maybe not! Entirely possible. How could I possibly know, though? I just try to focus on being kind and empathetic to people, supportive to my coworkers and employees, be mindful of how my actions affect others, and when I screw up, try to do better the next time. I don't think there's much more than that most people can do.
davnicwil 11y ago
Thank you for saying this. It's so easy to criticise, judge and unfairly extrapolate based on what other people seem to have said or done according to a small, out of context quote, picture, video, etc. It's incredibly unfair and hypocritical to do so. We all need to just admit, as you've done, that we all say and do things all the time which would paint us in a very bad light if taken in the wrong context. As an obvious example, there are things that everyone says to friends that they'd never dream of saying to their boss, or parents, or their kids' teacher, or other friends for that matter. Judging Mark Zuckerberg based on this quote is exactly like that. He's not addressing an audience, he's not giving a considered summary of his world view or philosophy. Rather he's almost certainly joking with a friend, simply saying something abrasive just to give an impression of being confident or alpha etc, the way people sometimes do when they're joking- especially young, relatively unconfident people. We've all done that at some point. I'm 100% certain if his mother had walked into the room immediately after he'd said this and said 'Mark! Is that what you really think, that all your classmates are.. what did you call them.. dumb fucks?' he would have apologised profusely and corrected himself, clarifying that he was simply joking and said a silly thing in the heat of the moment. Like all teenagers do. Like all humans do.
- robotresearcher 11y ago
  On the other hand, Zuckerberg has been richly, wildly rewarded, praised and glorified every moment since then. Where do the signals that guide improvement come from in that situation?
zuckerg 11y ago
I'd say that all of his actions since that date have been coherent; that at every turn he has dedicated a lot of energy to destroying privacy and reframing that as promoting openness. The prototypical example of this is the FB privacy panel which, last I checked, took more than 100 separate actions to set everything private. (making it very hard and confusing to get privacy). And there's been the incidents where FB then single-handedly undid some or all of those settings without notice. And then there's FB's participation in PRISM starting in 2009. he's dedicated enormous energy into destroying privacy and into selling us to others. As such... I tend to think he'd used more nuanced language now, but I absolutely believe he is a sociopath who has created a cancerous company that makes the world a materially worse place. I absolutely believe that all of his company's actions are aligned with his 18 year old's disrespect for other people. Some part of him is obviously a good dude... but his company is a fucking travesty.
- Duhck 11y ago
  If you care about privacy enough perhaps Facebook just isn't the right social network to join? Facebook is an advertising platform, and the best one at that. It's also a place people post intimate details of their lives for others to see. I don't know that I find fault in their ability to use that data to better target you with ads or content.
zobzu 11y ago
by that rationale everything i said last year and all the shit ive done no longer matter because im 21 now. so you know, its no longer my responsibility. yeah, fuck that logic. you're extremely responsible at 18. moreso at 18 than at 70, if anything.
- mattzito 11y ago
  It's not that it doesn't matter or that he's not responsible for his words. It's that as adults, over time, you develop a sense of perspective as your worldview broadens, and the things you believe or the way you might phrase something might be very difference once you've spent 5 or 10 years out in the world.
  - zobzu 11y ago
    Still responsible. Else no jail sentence should be more than 5 or 10 years either. Still failing logic.
ionised 11y ago
No, I think that very attitude has been very consistent since then and it's clear in the way Facebook operates and profits.

umaguma 11y ago

Wow. How many emails, pictures, addresses, SNS does he have now? And this is what made him so wealthy? Collecting personal information? Incredible.