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Care to provide citations for the claims that fatty red meat is at all healthy (last I checked, saturated and trans fat cause cardiovascular disease, diabetes,

by noondip 11y ago

Care to provide citations for the claims that fatty red meat is at all healthy (last I checked, saturated and trans fat cause cardiovascular disease, diabetes, obesity, atherosclerosis - just to name a few problems), or that whole wheats contain antinutrients, or are somehow unhealthy?

DrScump 11y ago
Again, your basic scientific knowledge is lacking. There is no meaningful transfat in red meat, fatty or otherwise.
- noondip 11y ago
  > There are two broad types of trans fats found in foods: naturally-occurring and artificial trans fats. Naturally-occurring trans fats are produced in the gut of some animals and foods made from these animals (e.g., milk and meat products) may contain small quantities of these fats. http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/GettingHealthy/NutritionCenter/HealthyEating/Trans-Fats_UCM_301120_Article.jsp http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/GettingHealthy/NutritionCenter... > Because trans fats are unavoidable on ordinary, non-vegan diets, getting down to zero percent trans fats would require significant changes in patterns of dietary intake. http://www.worldcat.org/title/dietary-reference-intakes-for-energy-carbohydrate-fiber-fat-fatty-acids-cholesterol-protein-and-amino-acids-macronutrients/oclc/439360210 http://www.worldcat.org/title/dietary-reference-intakes-for-... > Processed foods and oils provide approximately 80 percent of trans fats in the diet, compared to 20 percent that occur naturally in food from animal sources. http://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/dga2005/document/html/chapter6.htm http://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/dga2005/document/html/ch... 20 percent is not meaningful? Next, are you going to try and convince me that trans fat is good for you?
- DrScump 11y ago
  I can't reply in-context to noondip's reply here yet, but note that he now says meat has "small amounts" of transfats where he previously wrote "laden with".
  - noondip 11y ago
    I haven't downvoted you, man (it isn't possible to downvote direct child comments, as far as I can tell). Why are you being so hostile? You're also quoting me out of context; I wrote, "laden with cholesterol, saturated and trans fats" which isn't an exaggeration. By the way, you can reply directly by clicking on the timestamp (e.g. n minutes ago).
    - DrScump 11y ago
      which isn't an exaggeration Suppose, then, that you quote for the class the specific average quantity of transfats in, say, a 6 ounce steak serving... and how that qualifies as "laden with".
      - noondip 11y ago
        Well, the only "safe" intake of trans fat is exactly zero, so again I assert what I've said wasn't exaggerated.

by noondip 11y ago

DrScump 11y ago

Again, your basic scientific knowledge is lacking. There is no meaningful transfat in red meat, fatty or otherwise.

noondip 11y ago
> There are two broad types of trans fats found in foods: naturally-occurring and artificial trans fats. Naturally-occurring trans fats are produced in the gut of some animals and foods made from these animals (e.g., milk and meat products) may contain small quantities of these fats. http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/GettingHealthy/NutritionCenter/HealthyEating/Trans-Fats_UCM_301120_Article.jsp http://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/GettingHealthy/NutritionCenter... > Because trans fats are unavoidable on ordinary, non-vegan diets, getting down to zero percent trans fats would require significant changes in patterns of dietary intake. http://www.worldcat.org/title/dietary-reference-intakes-for-energy-carbohydrate-fiber-fat-fatty-acids-cholesterol-protein-and-amino-acids-macronutrients/oclc/439360210 http://www.worldcat.org/title/dietary-reference-intakes-for-... > Processed foods and oils provide approximately 80 percent of trans fats in the diet, compared to 20 percent that occur naturally in food from animal sources. http://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/dga2005/document/html/chapter6.htm http://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/dga2005/document/html/ch... 20 percent is not meaningful? Next, are you going to try and convince me that trans fat is good for you?
DrScump 11y ago
I can't reply in-context to noondip's reply here yet, but note that he now says meat has "small amounts" of transfats where he previously wrote "laden with".
- noondip 11y ago
  I haven't downvoted you, man (it isn't possible to downvote direct child comments, as far as I can tell). Why are you being so hostile? You're also quoting me out of context; I wrote, "laden with cholesterol, saturated and trans fats" which isn't an exaggeration. By the way, you can reply directly by clicking on the timestamp (e.g. n minutes ago).
  - DrScump 11y ago
    which isn't an exaggeration Suppose, then, that you quote for the class the specific average quantity of transfats in, say, a 6 ounce steak serving... and how that qualifies as "laden with".
    - noondip 11y ago
      Well, the only "safe" intake of trans fat is exactly zero, so again I assert what I've said wasn't exaggerated.