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"So I'm pitching this to bored devs and entrepreneurs: Help us, and many other projects, by creating a "Github for mailing lists" with a web client featuring a

by rsync 11y ago

"So I'm pitching this to bored devs and entrepreneurs: Help us, and many other projects, by creating a "Github for mailing lists" with a web client featuring a clean high quality UI, easily browsable/linkable archives, etc. Make it open source, make it self-hostable, stuff in enterprise support. Make it quick and easy to create new lists." Uggh ... really ? So the simple, clean, extremely fast loading HTML indexes of mailman/majordomo[1] aren't going to do it for you anymore ? Yes, I was getting so tired of one click getting me to a nice, clean index, ordered by year and month, and loading near-instantly. What a pain that's always been. Get. Off. My. Lawn. [1] https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-fs/ https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-fs/

andrewmcwatters 11y ago
I agree. Mailman is fantastic as it is. There's a technical brevity and image it gives off, and that's an important aspect of design. This isn't really a statement about usability or what's beautiful in design. I design user interfaces and creating a new UI for basically what mailman does would really just be an attempt at grabbing a different target audience. mailman has an image behind it. People associate with different images, and certain looks and feels make certain people gravitate towards them. The type of people I would want in my mailing list are the type of people that appreciate how mailman looks as-is. I try to practice great design where it matters most. A reskin of such software would be more aligned with the goals of junior designers and people who rehash weather apps with nice gradients on dribbble.
- scrollaway 11y ago
  Have you considered contacting Guiness World Records regarding the size of that horse you stand atop of? If you genuinely do want to practice great design, start by considering user needs and the reason why "reskinning" as you call it might be wanted, instead of dismissing anything you don't immediately understand as "pah, must be junior designers, those with fancy gradients and far less experience than me". No, seriously, what the hell.
  - andrewmcwatters 11y ago
    Arrogance is telling someone they don't understand something, when they tell you "no." > "User needs" Do you actually design anything?
    - scrollaway 11y ago
      You're not telling me no, most specifically because I'm not pitching this to you. You're telling yourself no. You say you don't need it, and extrapolate your view of the world to everybody else's. Really dangerous.
  - dang 11y ago
    Personal attacks are not allowed on HN, even when someone seems arrogant. Please post civilly and substantively, or not at all.
scrollaway 11y ago
I'm not touching your lawn. I'm not even in the same city. If what already exists does the job for you, good on you. It doesn't for us, and many other projects. I'm not suggesting the existing software to change, I'm suggesting something new. Pitching something that doesn't exist today (the D-Lang forums linked here come quite close though). Our goal is to merge our current forums with our mailing list and not have to maintain both separately. So I'll thank you to get off my damn lawn, you and the seven crates of entitlement you carry around.
feld 11y ago
and if you want a better UI, wait until someone upgrades it to Mailman 3 I guess?

by rsync 11y ago

andrewmcwatters 11y ago

I agree. Mailman is fantastic as it is. There's a technical brevity and image it gives off, and that's an important aspect of design. This isn't really a statement about usability or what's beautiful in design. I design user interfaces and creating a new UI for basically what mailman does would really just be an attempt at grabbing a different target audience. mailman has an image behind it. People associate with different images, and certain looks and feels make certain people gravitate towards them. The type of people I would want in my mailing list are the type of people that appreciate how mailman looks as-is. I try to practice great design where it matters most. A reskin of such software would be more aligned with the goals of junior designers and people who rehash weather apps with nice gradients on dribbble.

scrollaway 11y ago
Have you considered contacting Guiness World Records regarding the size of that horse you stand atop of? If you genuinely do want to practice great design, start by considering user needs and the reason why "reskinning" as you call it might be wanted, instead of dismissing anything you don't immediately understand as "pah, must be junior designers, those with fancy gradients and far less experience than me". No, seriously, what the hell.
- andrewmcwatters 11y ago
  Arrogance is telling someone they don't understand something, when they tell you "no." > "User needs" Do you actually design anything?
  - scrollaway 11y ago
    You're not telling me no, most specifically because I'm not pitching this to you. You're telling yourself no. You say you don't need it, and extrapolate your view of the world to everybody else's. Really dangerous.
- dang 11y ago
  Personal attacks are not allowed on HN, even when someone seems arrogant. Please post civilly and substantively, or not at all.

scrollaway 11y ago

I'm not touching your lawn. I'm not even in the same city. If what already exists does the job for you, good on you. It doesn't for us, and many other projects. I'm not suggesting the existing software to change, I'm suggesting something new. Pitching something that doesn't exist today (the D-Lang forums linked here come quite close though). Our goal is to merge our current forums with our mailing list and not have to maintain both separately. So I'll thank you to get off my damn lawn, you and the seven crates of entitlement you carry around.

feld 11y ago

and if you want a better UI, wait until someone upgrades it to Mailman 3 I guess?