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I see this as an hilarious welcome joke from the community : https://github.com/apple/swift/pull/17 https://github.com/apple/swift/pull/17 Its developer's way

by Twisell 11y ago

I see this as an hilarious welcome joke from the community : https://github.com/apple/swift/pull/17 https://github.com/apple/swift/pull/17 Its developer's way to say FIRST

ecopoesis 11y ago
No. This is a childish joke, and inappropriate. As a community of professionals, we should do everything we can to discourage this kind of crap. Joe Cumbo (mooman219), I hope you never apply for a job I'm the hiring manager for, because I would never hire you after seeing this kind of unprofessionalism in your Github profile.
- corndoge 11y ago
  And I would never want to work for you if you've such a dearth of humor :P Exactly how is this inappropriate?
  - ecopoesis 11y ago
    A company that is traditionally hostile to open source gets as one of its first "contributions" to a newly opened project a troll, confirming a bad stereotype of the open source community. How could that not be considered inappropriate?
    - rimantas 11y ago
      Apple is in now way hostile to OSS.
      - deleted 11y ago
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  - discipleofche 11y ago
    What was the tongue face for?
- sopooneo 11y ago
  I likely agree with your sentiment, but I'm afraid I'm too ignorant to even realize there is any attempt at a joke. For my understanding of the culture, would someone mind explaining?
  - ecopoesis 11y ago
    Apple doesn't like the GPL3 and has refused to upgrade many key MacOS components (like bash) that have migrated from GPL2 to GPL3.
- mooman219 11y ago
  I wouldn't want to work for a company that cannot take a joke. The PR was sent around apple software engineering today and they got a kick out of it.
kels 11y ago
I don't get it, can you explain? I don't know much about licensing...
- Twisell 11y ago
  Well i'm by far not an expert. But a lot of people consider that GPL is an open but maybe too restrictive licence. Notably, "derived works" using GPL copylefted code must be redistributed under same licence. So basicaly if you consider that Swift is a key component of OSX... This is just not something Apple can accept right now. Beside I'm not even sure a Licence switch from Apache2 is possible without consent of all contributors. And most definitively a Licence switch can in no way be decided via a Pull Request :P Feel free to correct me if I missed a point ;)
dang 11y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10670577 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10670577 and marked it off-topic.

by Twisell 11y ago

I see this as an hilarious welcome joke from the community : https://github.com/apple/swift/pull/17 https://github.com/apple/swift/pull/17 Its developer's way to say FIRST

ecopoesis 11y ago

No. This is a childish joke, and inappropriate. As a community of professionals, we should do everything we can to discourage this kind of crap. Joe Cumbo (mooman219), I hope you never apply for a job I'm the hiring manager for, because I would never hire you after seeing this kind of unprofessionalism in your Github profile.

corndoge 11y ago
And I would never want to work for you if you've such a dearth of humor :P Exactly how is this inappropriate?
- ecopoesis 11y ago
  A company that is traditionally hostile to open source gets as one of its first "contributions" to a newly opened project a troll, confirming a bad stereotype of the open source community. How could that not be considered inappropriate?
  - rimantas 11y ago
    Apple is in now way hostile to OSS.
    - deleted 11y ago
      [deleted]
- discipleofche 11y ago
  What was the tongue face for?
sopooneo 11y ago
I likely agree with your sentiment, but I'm afraid I'm too ignorant to even realize there is any attempt at a joke. For my understanding of the culture, would someone mind explaining?
- ecopoesis 11y ago
  Apple doesn't like the GPL3 and has refused to upgrade many key MacOS components (like bash) that have migrated from GPL2 to GPL3.
mooman219 11y ago
I wouldn't want to work for a company that cannot take a joke. The PR was sent around apple software engineering today and they got a kick out of it.

kels 11y ago

I don't get it, can you explain? I don't know much about licensing...

Twisell 11y ago
Well i'm by far not an expert. But a lot of people consider that GPL is an open but maybe too restrictive licence. Notably, "derived works" using GPL copylefted code must be redistributed under same licence. So basicaly if you consider that Swift is a key component of OSX... This is just not something Apple can accept right now. Beside I'm not even sure a Licence switch from Apache2 is possible without consent of all contributors. And most definitively a Licence switch can in no way be decided via a Pull Request :P Feel free to correct me if I missed a point ;)

dang 11y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10670577 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10670577 and marked it off-topic.