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This is not new news, but people really don't want to hear that being fat is bad in the sense of greatly raising the risk of all common age-related disease and

This is not new news, but people really don't want to hear that being fat is bad in the sense of greatly raising the risk of all common age-related disease and reducing life expectancy. E.g. here is news from 2011, covering a demonstration of reversing type 2 diabetes via low calorie diets: http://www.bbc.com/news/health-13887909 http://www.bbc.com/news/health-13887909 Note that the diabetes you create through your negligence is not the same as the diabetes you develop by being old and suffering an age-altered immune system: http://www.salk.edu/news-release/blocking-immune-cell-treats-new-type-age-related-diabetes/ http://www.salk.edu/news-release/blocking-immune-cell-treats...

miseg 11y ago
They may also not want to hear they're fat in the first place.
- softawre 11y ago
  #bigboned
MollyR 11y ago
This is fascinating. I can't believe I didn't hear about this in 2011. That second article is extremely well written, and I had no idea there was more than 2 types of diabetes either. Edit: Really appreciate links to articles
aklemm 11y ago
"people really don't want to hear that being fat is bad in the sense of greatly raising the risk of all common age-related disease and reducing life expectancy." Surely there are very few people denying these risks. Do you have evidence that this is a widespread trend, or have you just taken that viewpoint by choice? Any attempt to deny fat risks could be construed as a misguided strategy by fat people to be treated with respect. If they explain away the health risks, then they're less open to shaming. Anyway, this is the empathetic viewpoint I choose to take on the issue, and I suspect it's better for everyone. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/09/11/fat-shaming-doesnt-work-a-new-study-says/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/0...
vox_mollis 11y ago
Indeed. Not to politicize these findings, but the travesty of socialized healthcare is the moral hazard implicit in universally treating lifestyle diseases such as type II diabetes, (most) lung cancer, alcoholism, etc. We're enabling destructive and expensive health pandemics to spare people their precious feelings.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  > Not to politicize these findings, but the travesty of socialized healthcare is the moral hazard implicit in universally treating lifestyle diseases such as type II diabetes In socialized medicine, its more likely that the treatment for those will be early and effective behavior interventions treating the lifestyle problem. > We're enabling destructive and expensive health pandemics to spare people their precious feelings. That would be more credible of an argument if the places with socialized medicine and universal treatment had more of these problems than the place in the OECD with the least degree of socialized medicine and universal access to healthcare. The problem isn't so much that you've politicized the findings as that in your drive to do so, you've completely ignored the facts on the ground.
  - vox_mollis 11y ago
    This is a fair rebuttal, but pointing out US vs EU/Japan obesity does not in any way establish causality. We're both merely arguing correlation: Me: Healthcare access is positively correlated across time with lifestyle disease. You: Healthcare access is negatively correlated across space with lifestyle disease.

miseg 11y ago

They may also not want to hear they're fat in the first place.

softawre 11y ago
#bigboned

MollyR 11y ago

This is fascinating. I can't believe I didn't hear about this in 2011. That second article is extremely well written, and I had no idea there was more than 2 types of diabetes either. Edit: Really appreciate links to articles

aklemm 11y ago

"people really don't want to hear that being fat is bad in the sense of greatly raising the risk of all common age-related disease and reducing life expectancy." Surely there are very few people denying these risks. Do you have evidence that this is a widespread trend, or have you just taken that viewpoint by choice? Any attempt to deny fat risks could be construed as a misguided strategy by fat people to be treated with respect. If they explain away the health risks, then they're less open to shaming. Anyway, this is the empathetic viewpoint I choose to take on the issue, and I suspect it's better for everyone. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/09/11/fat-shaming-doesnt-work-a-new-study-says/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2014/0...

vox_mollis 11y ago

Indeed. Not to politicize these findings, but the travesty of socialized healthcare is the moral hazard implicit in universally treating lifestyle diseases such as type II diabetes, (most) lung cancer, alcoholism, etc. We're enabling destructive and expensive health pandemics to spare people their precious feelings.

dragonwriter 11y ago
> Not to politicize these findings, but the travesty of socialized healthcare is the moral hazard implicit in universally treating lifestyle diseases such as type II diabetes In socialized medicine, its more likely that the treatment for those will be early and effective behavior interventions treating the lifestyle problem. > We're enabling destructive and expensive health pandemics to spare people their precious feelings. That would be more credible of an argument if the places with socialized medicine and universal treatment had more of these problems than the place in the OECD with the least degree of socialized medicine and universal access to healthcare. The problem isn't so much that you've politicized the findings as that in your drive to do so, you've completely ignored the facts on the ground.
- vox_mollis 11y ago
  This is a fair rebuttal, but pointing out US vs EU/Japan obesity does not in any way establish causality. We're both merely arguing correlation: Me: Healthcare access is positively correlated across time with lifestyle disease. You: Healthcare access is negatively correlated across space with lifestyle disease.