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THANK YOU for putting "Type 2" in the title. Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes are unrelated diseases. They were given the same name because they have the same symptom

by coldpie 11y ago

THANK YOU for putting "Type 2" in the title. Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes are unrelated diseases. They were given the same name because they have the same symptoms. It is critically important to specify which disease you are talking about in any situation, otherwise you might as well conflate cancer and tuberculosis.

emehrkay 11y ago
I never thought about this, and google searches just confirmed, but a person can have type 1 and 2.
- TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
  I wonder if the conclusions of the OP would still apply in such a person. Would losing weight cure their type II, but not their type I? Are their two forms of diabetes coupled and this would not make a difference?
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  - keletappi 11y ago
    Basically the difference is that Type I your body is no longer able to produce insulin. Type II means that your body is not using the insulin it produces properly, and eventually your body will not be able to produce enough insulin to keep your blood sugar at reasonable levels. There is absolutely no coming back from Type I diabetes at the moment. But Type II should be reversible for anyone with both Type I & II.
  - maxerickson 11y ago
    Type I is (usually) an immune disorder where the immune system destroys the cells that normally produce insulin. I don't want to make an absolute statement about that not reversing, but it would be incredibly unusual. (There are cases of Type I with no evidence of immune activity being the cause, but they are a minority)
ionforce 11y ago
But they are related somehow? Like Java and JavaScript?
- ghkbrew 11y ago
  I suspect you're joking, but I'll go ahead and answer here anyway, because I find it interesting and think others might as well. The term "diabetes" refers specifically to the production of large amounts of urine. The diseases most people are familiar with are fully known as Diabetes Mellitus, type I and type II. The word "mellitus" is latin with roots in the word for honey and means sweet or sweetened with honey. So really both diseases are named for the fact that the produce the symptom of large amounts of sweet urine. Biologically this is because uncontrolled type I and type I sufferers have extraordinarily high blood sugars. Some of this excess glucose is excreted in the urine and osmotically pulls fluid along with it increasing the total urine volume. It's worth noting that diabetes (the symptom) can have multiple other causes. Diabetes Insipidus is caused simply by the excess ingestion of fluids. (i.e. you urinate a lot when you drink too much water)
  - muraiki 11y ago
    No, diabetes insipidus can be caused by hormonal problems, kidneys failing to respond to hormones, and pregnancy.
    - ghkbrew 11y ago
      Fair enough, perhaps I should have said "can be caused by" DI (technically Dipsogenic DI) can be caused by neurological dysfunction or psychiatric illness without any hormonal disregulation.
- oliwarner 11y ago
  Sure. Type one means you don't make insulin, and in type two you're either not making enough (for one of a number of reasons) or —most commonly these days— you've been running on a 30-year sugar high and now your cells just ignore insulin at any level. The article is talking about "re-sensitising" cells to insulin by starvation diet.

by coldpie 11y ago

emehrkay 11y ago

I never thought about this, and google searches just confirmed, but a person can have type 1 and 2.

TazeTSchnitzel 11y ago
I wonder if the conclusions of the OP would still apply in such a person. Would losing weight cure their type II, but not their type I? Are their two forms of diabetes coupled and this would not make a difference?
- deleted 11y ago
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- keletappi 11y ago
  Basically the difference is that Type I your body is no longer able to produce insulin. Type II means that your body is not using the insulin it produces properly, and eventually your body will not be able to produce enough insulin to keep your blood sugar at reasonable levels. There is absolutely no coming back from Type I diabetes at the moment. But Type II should be reversible for anyone with both Type I & II.
- maxerickson 11y ago
  Type I is (usually) an immune disorder where the immune system destroys the cells that normally produce insulin. I don't want to make an absolute statement about that not reversing, but it would be incredibly unusual. (There are cases of Type I with no evidence of immune activity being the cause, but they are a minority)

ionforce 11y ago

But they are related somehow? Like Java and JavaScript?

ghkbrew 11y ago
I suspect you're joking, but I'll go ahead and answer here anyway, because I find it interesting and think others might as well. The term "diabetes" refers specifically to the production of large amounts of urine. The diseases most people are familiar with are fully known as Diabetes Mellitus, type I and type II. The word "mellitus" is latin with roots in the word for honey and means sweet or sweetened with honey. So really both diseases are named for the fact that the produce the symptom of large amounts of sweet urine. Biologically this is because uncontrolled type I and type I sufferers have extraordinarily high blood sugars. Some of this excess glucose is excreted in the urine and osmotically pulls fluid along with it increasing the total urine volume. It's worth noting that diabetes (the symptom) can have multiple other causes. Diabetes Insipidus is caused simply by the excess ingestion of fluids. (i.e. you urinate a lot when you drink too much water)
- muraiki 11y ago
  No, diabetes insipidus can be caused by hormonal problems, kidneys failing to respond to hormones, and pregnancy.
  - ghkbrew 11y ago
    Fair enough, perhaps I should have said "can be caused by" DI (technically Dipsogenic DI) can be caused by neurological dysfunction or psychiatric illness without any hormonal disregulation.
oliwarner 11y ago
Sure. Type one means you don't make insulin, and in type two you're either not making enough (for one of a number of reasons) or —most commonly these days— you've been running on a 30-year sugar high and now your cells just ignore insulin at any level. The article is talking about "re-sensitising" cells to insulin by starvation diet.