There is a bunch of overlap between those groups (though too many sysadmins indeed don't grasp the threats that face them, or don't take them seriously). I'm s

There is a bunch of overlap between those groups (though too many sysadmins indeed don't grasp the threats that face them, or don't take them seriously). I'm saying this as a sysadmin and crypto nerd who really wishes we had a secure messaging system that achieved both of Moxie's stated goals. Unfortunately, I don't want to use it in its current state for largely the same reasons as laid out by 'darklajid. Both goals are important and feed into each other. If we don't have #2, it's easy for NSA and friends to backdoor the software or services for #1, for example like they did with their trusting-trust trojaned XCode. Does anyone really believe these agencies will not react as we deploy "mass-surveillance-proof" software? What will be their next move to collect the data that they want? All of these attacks that people now write off as "crypto-nerd paranoia" will just become the new normal.