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>I'd like to know why you think that. When the job application says you must have a bachelor's degree to be considered, gumption doesn't enter into it. Yeah it

by xiaoma 11y ago

>I'd like to know why you think that. When the job application says you must have a bachelor's degree to be considered, gumption doesn't enter into it. Yeah it does. Many of the jobs I've gotten have had various requirements I didn't meet, including that particular one. Pretty much the only truly inflexible sector I've encountered is government. Even there, it's amazing what can be done if the right people want it done. I think getting a degree was one of the poorer financial decisions of my life and not that great in terms of educational outcomes either. Degrees rarely imply the kind of "intangible value" you're talking of. TLDR; education > schooling

intopieces 11y ago
I think you're an exceptional case. Take a look at the Earnings and unemployment rates by educational attainment: http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_chart_001.htm http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_chart_001.htm If most of these college graduates could have made it where they are without a degree, wouldn't this count be a little more even? The drastic difference appears somewhat artificial. I agree that a person doesn't "need" a college degree to succeed -- but I think it's fair to say it helps quite a bit.
- xiaoma 11y ago
  Earnings are difficult to compare due to the selection bias in admissions. Even if that weren't the case, you'd have to factor in the compounded interest from all of the money spent on schooling as well as that of the money not earned during those four years. Additionally, there's the cost of delaying and/or slowing one's education while spending those years schooling (which generally moves at a glacial pace). There are some cases in which the schooling truly is worth the cost and yields exceptional results for those admitted (as opposed to only admitting those who would be exceptional regardless). Those cases are rare and getting rarer.

by xiaoma 11y ago

intopieces 11y ago

I think you're an exceptional case. Take a look at the Earnings and unemployment rates by educational attainment: http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_chart_001.htm http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_chart_001.htm If most of these college graduates could have made it where they are without a degree, wouldn't this count be a little more even? The drastic difference appears somewhat artificial. I agree that a person doesn't "need" a college degree to succeed -- but I think it's fair to say it helps quite a bit.

xiaoma 11y ago
Earnings are difficult to compare due to the selection bias in admissions. Even if that weren't the case, you'd have to factor in the compounded interest from all of the money spent on schooling as well as that of the money not earned during those four years. Additionally, there's the cost of delaying and/or slowing one's education while spending those years schooling (which generally moves at a glacial pace). There are some cases in which the schooling truly is worth the cost and yields exceptional results for those admitted (as opposed to only admitting those who would be exceptional regardless). Those cases are rare and getting rarer.