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The proposed tax is basically a spending tax, much like a sales tax. It would effectively raise the price of any products/services that rely on carbon-based ene

by 5ersi 11y ago

The proposed tax is basically a spending tax, much like a sales tax. It would effectively raise the price of any products/services that rely on carbon-based energy to be made/delivered. Remind me: how does a spending tax disproportionately affect the poor? The tax goes into a local/federal budget, where poor disproportionately benefit from it (compared to what they put in). Also, the arguably biggest global challenge in the next decades is going to be to slow/reverse the adverse effects of the global warming, which WILL disproportionately affect the poor (which have less ability to adapt or move). So how is doing something about global waring really disproportionately affecting the poor on the long run?

pzone 11y ago
Poor living in rural/exurban areas, spend more of their money on utilities & transportation overall You're assuming here that the money will be spent on the poor, but we really have to make sure that will actulaly happen if we want the carbon tax to have fair distributional implications
samcheng 11y ago
Some people need to scrape together cash to buy enough gas to get to work. Poor people spend a disproportionate amount of their income on necessities like fuel for an aging inefficient vehicle, electricity or natural gas to heat a cheaply-constructed home, and factory-farmed food created with cheap nitrogen fertilizer. All of those necessities get more expensive with a carbon tax, so we need a way to cushion the impact on those who struggle to pay for the basics. While the impact of global warming does impact the global poor quite heavily (think of places like Bangladesh) it doesn't really hurt the poor in developed places much more than the rich in developed places. I was a lot less worried about El Niño when I rented an apartment, for example.
brandonmenc 11y ago
> how does a spending tax disproportionately affect the poor? Because they need to spend more of their income in order to survive. If you spend all of your income, a 10% sales tax reduces your income by 10%. If you only need to spend half of your income, a 10% sales tax reduces your income by 5% - or less, if the money you don't spend earns interest.

by 5ersi 11y ago

pzone 11y ago

Poor living in rural/exurban areas, spend more of their money on utilities & transportation overall You're assuming here that the money will be spent on the poor, but we really have to make sure that will actulaly happen if we want the carbon tax to have fair distributional implications

samcheng 11y ago

Some people need to scrape together cash to buy enough gas to get to work. Poor people spend a disproportionate amount of their income on necessities like fuel for an aging inefficient vehicle, electricity or natural gas to heat a cheaply-constructed home, and factory-farmed food created with cheap nitrogen fertilizer. All of those necessities get more expensive with a carbon tax, so we need a way to cushion the impact on those who struggle to pay for the basics. While the impact of global warming does impact the global poor quite heavily (think of places like Bangladesh) it doesn't really hurt the poor in developed places much more than the rich in developed places. I was a lot less worried about El Niño when I rented an apartment, for example.

brandonmenc 11y ago

> how does a spending tax disproportionately affect the poor? Because they need to spend more of their income in order to survive. If you spend all of your income, a 10% sales tax reduces your income by 10%. If you only need to spend half of your income, a 10% sales tax reduces your income by 5% - or less, if the money you don't spend earns interest.