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The same way that Stuxnet destroying Iranian centrifuges was an act of war ?

duncan_bayne 11y ago
Yes. Although I'd have thought that particular war would have started back with the hostage-taking in, what, 1979? I really don't understand relationships between States.
- mil0 11y ago
  always love a good reference to Argo.
- ta0o0o0 11y ago
  I'm not a West Hater by any means, but I'd say the war started when the US and the UK engineered a coup in Iran because Iran nationalized their oil industry (after the British oil company running it refused to be audited or to renegotiate terms). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat
  - duncan_bayne 11y ago
    Whereas I'd say the problem was forced nationalisation.
    - antocv 11y ago
      Whereas I'd say the problem was forced privatization/colonization.
    - lhopki01 11y ago
      A foreign coup is a valid response to nationalisation?
      - duncan_bayne 11y ago
        I'm not sure. But nationalisation is certainly a violation of rights. Of course, I'd be interested to see how those assets were set up in the first place - my bet would be during a non-rights-respecting period of colonialism. How far back do you go? (Serious question).
        lhopki01 11y ago
        You go to when the country got a democratically elected government. As for nationalisation is certainly a violation of rights do you hold that all eminent domain is a violation of rights? IE if the government wants to build a road and uses compulsory purchase orders it's a violation of rights?
        duncan_bayne 11y ago
        Yes. It's possible to do such things in non rights violating ways. For example, buying options on properties and exercising them when a route is made.
    - ta0o0o0 11y ago
      That does not justify overthrowing another country's government. Most countries, including the United States, recognize the state's eminent domain over its land and its natural resources. Besides which, the Iranians tried to negotiate, the British refused, so the Iranians nationalized in response.
- fleitz 11y ago
  Starting point for international relations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik

Yes. Although I'd have thought that particular war would have started back with the hostage-taking in, what, 1979? I really don't understand relationships between States.

mil0 11y ago
always love a good reference to Argo.
ta0o0o0 11y ago
I'm not a West Hater by any means, but I'd say the war started when the US and the UK engineered a coup in Iran because Iran nationalized their oil industry (after the British oil company running it refused to be audited or to renegotiate terms). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat
- duncan_bayne 11y ago
  Whereas I'd say the problem was forced nationalisation.
  - antocv 11y ago
    Whereas I'd say the problem was forced privatization/colonization.
  - lhopki01 11y ago
    A foreign coup is a valid response to nationalisation?
    - duncan_bayne 11y ago
      I'm not sure. But nationalisation is certainly a violation of rights. Of course, I'd be interested to see how those assets were set up in the first place - my bet would be during a non-rights-respecting period of colonialism. How far back do you go? (Serious question).
      - lhopki01 11y ago
        You go to when the country got a democratically elected government. As for nationalisation is certainly a violation of rights do you hold that all eminent domain is a violation of rights? IE if the government wants to build a road and uses compulsory purchase orders it's a violation of rights?
        duncan_bayne 11y ago
        Yes. It's possible to do such things in non rights violating ways. For example, buying options on properties and exercising them when a route is made.
  - ta0o0o0 11y ago
    That does not justify overthrowing another country's government. Most countries, including the United States, recognize the state's eminent domain over its land and its natural resources. Besides which, the Iranians tried to negotiate, the British refused, so the Iranians nationalized in response.
fleitz 11y ago
Starting point for international relations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik