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> Now you're implicitly allotting power to those with the charisma and reach to sway others Here is the explanation you seek, friend. You are implicitly re-cre
by Kalium 11y ago
> Now you're implicitly allotting power to those with the charisma and reach to sway others
Here is the explanation you seek, friend. You are implicitly re-creating a leading class. The problem only appears solved because the class is implicit instead of explicit.
And historically, you've probably killed a couple million people by now.
- ZenoArrow 11y ago> "Now you're implicitly allotting power to those with the charisma and reach to sway others" Persuasion is far more palatable than physical force. Furthermore, in a direct democracy, those with charisma still do not make the final decision, all decisions go to a vote. If an individual proves influential, then they have a level of power, but opinions that serve the influential individual at the expense of their audience are not likely to gain traction.
- Kalium 11y agoAnd incidentally, your classless utopia has a new crop of "influencers" (read: leadership-class) with disproportionate power. With no structures in place to restrain them but other members of the leadership-class with disproportionate power. That really only ends two ways - warring warlords or the leadership class unifying into an oligarchy. Oh, and you've overlooked how readily people are led into supporting positions directly contrary to their interests. It happens all the time. Tribal social structures and group identities make it easy and common. Nothing about this ends well. Have a nice day.
- ZenoArrow 11y ago> "And incidentally, your classless utopia has a new crop of "influencers" (read: leadership-class) with disproportionate power. With no structures in place to restrain them but other members of the leadership-class with disproportionate power. That really only ends two ways - warring warlords or the leadership class unifying into an oligarchy." The power of the "influencers" depends on the education level of the general population, does it not? > "Oh, and you've overlooked how readily people are led into supporting positions directly contrary to their interests. It happens all the time. Tribal social structures and group identities make it easy and common." As I've said to you before in an earlier comment, it'll take time to undo our earlier programming, to make us less prone to follow hierarchical structures (and to think with a mob mentality). The education to enable this can start today, we don't need to change our society in order to start changing ourselves.
- Kalium 11y ago> The power of the "influencers" depends on the education level of the general population, does it not? No. It does not.
- ZenoArrow 11y ago> "No. It does not." If the population has been taught critical thinking and given plenty of chance to practice this in their formal education, then I don't see how it can't mitigate against the damage that "influencers" could do.