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I really don't understand how that sort of behaviour doesn't constitute an act of war. Imagine if China sent saboteurs in-country to physically destroy infrast
by duncan_bayne 11y ago
I really don't understand how that sort of behaviour doesn't constitute an act of war.
Imagine if China sent saboteurs in-country to physically destroy infrastructure being used by American businesses. That would Not Be Taken Lightly.
- cortesoft 11y agoWhich sort of behavior? Having their own root certificate?
- duncan_bayne 11y agoI meant China's behaviour, e.g. orchestrating a DDOS attack against GitHub for political reasons. The root certificate thing is 'merely' a violation of the rights of their own subjects.
- cortesoft 11y agoAh, ok that makes more sense.
- com_kieffer 11y agoThe same way that Stuxnet destroying Iranian centrifuges was an act of war ?
- duncan_bayne 11y agoYes. Although I'd have thought that particular war would have started back with the hostage-taking in, what, 1979? I really don't understand relationships between States.
- mil0 11y agoalways love a good reference to Argo.
- ta0o0o0 11y agoI'm not a West Hater by any means, but I'd say the war started when the US and the UK engineered a coup in Iran because Iran nationalized their oil industry (after the British oil company running it refused to be audited or to renegotiate terms). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat
- duncan_bayne 11y agoWhereas I'd say the problem was forced nationalisation.
- antocv 11y agoWhereas I'd say the problem was forced privatization/colonization.
- lhopki01 11y agoA foreign coup is a valid response to nationalisation?
- duncan_bayne 11y agoI'm not sure. But nationalisation is certainly a violation of rights. Of course, I'd be interested to see how those assets were set up in the first place - my bet would be during a non-rights-respecting period of colonialism. How far back do you go? (Serious question).
- lhopki01 11y agoYou go to when the country got a democratically elected government. As for nationalisation is certainly a violation of rights do you hold that all eminent domain is a violation of rights? IE if the government wants to build a road and uses compulsory purchase orders it's a violation of rights?
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- fleitz 11y agoStarting point for international relations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Realpolitik
- peteretep 11y ago> how that sort of behaviour doesn't constitute an act of war You need photos of explosions and dead babies to convince your populace to go to war. Making a case for war between nuclear powers on the basis that "some website for geeks became a bit less reliable" isn't going to cut it.