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Whats most interesting about this is that his history of domestic abuse has yet to tarnish his history.

by cup 11y ago

oldmanjay 11y ago
It's almost as if allowing people to be flawed in their personal life is at least as reasonable as turning everything celebrity-related into the segment of the jerry springer show where audience members moralize for applause.
- cup 11y ago
  Oh sure, I agree. I'm more just curious how hes managed to come out unscathed. A lot of famous people usually take a big hit when accused of domestic violence.
fredkbloggs 11y ago
Is there a conviction or guilty plea on record somewhere? So far as I can tell, the only crime he's ever even been charged with was smuggling weed in 1970 (he pled guilty). The article referenced by this piece cites nothing but third-hand (from TMZ, no less) quotes from a divorce filing. As anyone knows, those can and usually do contain pretty much anything the person filing it wants to say, with no obligation to prove any of it to even the low standard required in civil proceedings much less the reasonable doubt standard required under criminal law. If not, then I am sure you yourself must have witnessed a crime or have other direct evidence of a crime committed by Mr. Murray, in which case I would urge you to file a report with the police department at once. Those are the only two circumstances under which it's acceptable to call someone a criminal, whether it's a popular figure like Bill Murray or a hated rascal like Sanford Wallace. Otherwise you're engaged in that most sickening and disgraceful act: repeating slanderous innuendo in the hope that people will eventually accept it as axiomatic truth. Personally, I don't know whether Mr. Murray beats women, and I don't really care about the man one way or another. But I am disgusted by the practice of accusing men of "domestic abuse" in the press and repeating those accusations anywhere and everywhere (except, of course, under oath in a courtroom) in service to some misguided pseudo-feminist agenda. If a man beats his wife, he belongs in prison, and if you have evidence of that, it's your obligation as a citizen to help put him there. Otherwise, knock off the slander already.
- quxbar 11y ago
  I liked your comment for the most part, slandering people on the internet is way too easy. On the other hand, it really defeats the purpose to say it's part of a "misguided pseudo-feminist agenda". The men you're voicing concern for, do you think they benefit more from a gender-centric discussion?
  - stcredzero 11y ago
    I would agree with you in this way: Misguided pseudo-activists using slander are a problem on the Internet, on both ends of the political spectrum and of any gender.
  - fredkbloggs 11y ago
    No, I don't. My comments apply to any and all crimes; however, this particular crime and that particular agenda seem to be especially popular with the slanderists right now.
    - rustynails77 11y ago
      No one should get away with abusing anyone else. Yet, this term (domestic violence) has been coined as a man's thing. It also neglects mental abuse that are very destructive. If you search Google, you'll find plenty of links re-enforcing this view (eg. men need to be told to stop doing it, we need raise money for women who are impacted, etc). There is no doubt that there's an agenda behind this particular term. Unless there's a very good reason, nothing should be attributed to one gender, yet, it happens all the time. I did manage to find this link about the incidents with Bill Murray in question. I suggest you read these articles as they paint somewhat of a different picture. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0124968/news?year=2008 http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0124968/news?year=2008 Here is one quote "The police report continues, 'I then had the complainant meet me at the police station to talk with the juveniles. They informed me that their mother had been drinking heavily and had (become) physical with them.'" The mother in question was Bill Murray's wife.
      - 11y ago
JackFr 11y ago
Is there a history apart from the allegations in the divorce filing of his ex-wife? It's possible that with no further reports, the public are discounting those as legal posturing, to strengthen her negotiating position against a pretty solid pre-nup.
- Zelphyr 11y ago
  In other words; no one believes her?

Whats most interesting about this is that his history of domestic abuse has yet to tarnish his history.

by cup 11y ago

Whats most interesting about this is that his history of domestic abuse has yet to tarnish his history.

It's almost as if allowing people to be flawed in their personal life is at least as reasonable as turning everything celebrity-related into the segment of the jerry springer show where audience members moralize for applause.

cup 11y ago
Oh sure, I agree. I'm more just curious how hes managed to come out unscathed. A lot of famous people usually take a big hit when accused of domestic violence.

fredkbloggs 11y ago

Is there a conviction or guilty plea on record somewhere? So far as I can tell, the only crime he's ever even been charged with was smuggling weed in 1970 (he pled guilty). The article referenced by this piece cites nothing but third-hand (from TMZ, no less) quotes from a divorce filing. As anyone knows, those can and usually do contain pretty much anything the person filing it wants to say, with no obligation to prove any of it to even the low standard required in civil proceedings much less the reasonable doubt standard required under criminal law. If not, then I am sure you yourself must have witnessed a crime or have other direct evidence of a crime committed by Mr. Murray, in which case I would urge you to file a report with the police department at once. Those are the only two circumstances under which it's acceptable to call someone a criminal, whether it's a popular figure like Bill Murray or a hated rascal like Sanford Wallace. Otherwise you're engaged in that most sickening and disgraceful act: repeating slanderous innuendo in the hope that people will eventually accept it as axiomatic truth. Personally, I don't know whether Mr. Murray beats women, and I don't really care about the man one way or another. But I am disgusted by the practice of accusing men of "domestic abuse" in the press and repeating those accusations anywhere and everywhere (except, of course, under oath in a courtroom) in service to some misguided pseudo-feminist agenda. If a man beats his wife, he belongs in prison, and if you have evidence of that, it's your obligation as a citizen to help put him there. Otherwise, knock off the slander already.

quxbar 11y ago
I liked your comment for the most part, slandering people on the internet is way too easy. On the other hand, it really defeats the purpose to say it's part of a "misguided pseudo-feminist agenda". The men you're voicing concern for, do you think they benefit more from a gender-centric discussion?
- stcredzero 11y ago
  I would agree with you in this way: Misguided pseudo-activists using slander are a problem on the Internet, on both ends of the political spectrum and of any gender.
- fredkbloggs 11y ago
  No, I don't. My comments apply to any and all crimes; however, this particular crime and that particular agenda seem to be especially popular with the slanderists right now.
  - rustynails77 11y ago
    No one should get away with abusing anyone else. Yet, this term (domestic violence) has been coined as a man's thing. It also neglects mental abuse that are very destructive. If you search Google, you'll find plenty of links re-enforcing this view (eg. men need to be told to stop doing it, we need raise money for women who are impacted, etc). There is no doubt that there's an agenda behind this particular term. Unless there's a very good reason, nothing should be attributed to one gender, yet, it happens all the time. I did manage to find this link about the incidents with Bill Murray in question. I suggest you read these articles as they paint somewhat of a different picture. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0124968/news?year=2008 http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0124968/news?year=2008 Here is one quote "The police report continues, 'I then had the complainant meet me at the police station to talk with the juveniles. They informed me that their mother had been drinking heavily and had (become) physical with them.'" The mother in question was Bill Murray's wife.
    - 11y ago

JackFr 11y ago

Is there a history apart from the allegations in the divorce filing of his ex-wife? It's possible that with no further reports, the public are discounting those as legal posturing, to strengthen her negotiating position against a pretty solid pre-nup.

Zelphyr 11y ago
In other words; no one believes her?