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"The Chinese society has generally less information bearing capacity than developed countries such as the U.S., which is an objective reality that no one can de

"The Chinese society has generally less information bearing capacity than developed countries such as the U.S., which is an objective reality that no one can deny." The concept of societal "information bearing capacity" blows my mind. What a fascinating and bizarre rationalization. So inside that mindset, preventing access to information is a a public service!

est 17y ago
Chinese here. This kind of BS derives from a more common theory: Chinese people don't deserve democracy because they are not well educated. It's stated on many official newspapers and comments. TFA is just a little elaboration. You can find even funnier nonsense everyday everywhere from Chinese politics news. The CCP behavior is hilarious to watch, Internet users in China loving posting pre-1949 propaganda from CCP, something like Xinhua Daily says 'One-party rule is disastrous'. Here's an example http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=1946%20%E6%96%B0%E5%8D%8E%E6%97%A5%E6%8A%A5%E4%B8%80%E5%85%9A%E7%8B%AC%E8%A3%81%E9%81%8D%E5%9C%B0%E6%98%AF%E7%81%BE http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=1946%20%E6%96%B0%E5%8D%8E%E...
- potatolicious 17y ago
  The saddest part is I know many Chinese in my age group who would cheer this article on, and commend the author for having the courage to stand up to American imperialism. I think many of us expected popular support for the Communist regime to drop over time - but we're seeing the opposite, and that's gravely concerning.
  - wavesplash 17y ago
    Same here. Oddly it seems the older generation was much more flexible in their thinking. What's interesting is how agile the CCP has become. We call it 'communist' but it no longer resembles any of the Marxist ideals we usually associate with it. They react quickly and have been using capitalism/modernization/nation-building as a very effective carrot. This isn't the old stagnant hard-line Soviet communism by any measure.
    - DrJokepu 17y ago
      I don't think anyone seriously believes that China is a communist country (in practice). It's a good old-fashioned dictatorship.
  - chrischen 17y ago
    I think a surprising number of your friends (and mine) are probably driven by nationalism. I'm not a big fan of nationalism, and don't swing any particular way when it comes to race or country. I do however actively support specific policies and ideas. But particularly for minorities in countries nationalism provides an easy way for self-identity. You'd want to be able to be proud of some specific fact about yourself and unfortunately nationality is a particularly easy way for minorities like the Chinese (in the US) to do this. And so this easily leads to American raised Chinese to jump on board supporting their home country. The alternative is to admit that their special home country needs advice from the US. Perhaps they weren't properly (or weren't in the US long enough) brainwashed to accept democracy, but something is causing them to think that they understand the complex policies better than the rest of the developed world simply because they lived there once. I also know a Chinese international student in Canada for college who insists that I am brainwashed by the west. I think that's a pretty bold statement since it pretty much implies that I was too stupid to distinguish the noise from the truths when I learn shit, since the fundamental difference between the democratic world and the communist world is that in the democratic world the truth is always there no matter how much shit is piled on top of it and in the communist world they just pile shit on your face and actively try to hold the truths out of reach. I think with the silly gaffs like the little girl who was lip syncing at the olympics that the CCP is still tripping over itself on universally backwards policies, and that all this is not just a case of the west trying to assert its cultural differences onto China.
- chrischen 17y ago
  While I agree with the idea that democracy will not work properly on an uneducated population, I think that's no longer true in China, and instead of relaxing it's controls, China's increasing them. I think perhaps the arrogance is from the Chinese side in not wanting to be told what to do, and not from the rest of the developed world. If they really do not want to learn and borrow from the developed world, they should stop pirating western films and music and stop stealing western technological advancements as well as rejecting developed political advancements like freedom of information that conveniently happens to weaken the grip of the CCP. They clearly admit they are developing, then what other reason would they have to reject the advice of developed nations except to push away the specific advancements that could potentially disturb the balance of power. The Chinese is stance is highly arrogant and hypocritical.
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est 17y ago

Chinese here. This kind of BS derives from a more common theory: Chinese people don't deserve democracy because they are not well educated. It's stated on many official newspapers and comments. TFA is just a little elaboration. You can find even funnier nonsense everyday everywhere from Chinese politics news. The CCP behavior is hilarious to watch, Internet users in China loving posting pre-1949 propaganda from CCP, something like Xinhua Daily says 'One-party rule is disastrous'. Here's an example http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=1946%20%E6%96%B0%E5%8D%8E%E6%97%A5%E6%8A%A5%E4%B8%80%E5%85%9A%E7%8B%AC%E8%A3%81%E9%81%8D%E5%9C%B0%E6%98%AF%E7%81%BE http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=1946%20%E6%96%B0%E5%8D%8E%E...

potatolicious 17y ago
The saddest part is I know many Chinese in my age group who would cheer this article on, and commend the author for having the courage to stand up to American imperialism. I think many of us expected popular support for the Communist regime to drop over time - but we're seeing the opposite, and that's gravely concerning.
- wavesplash 17y ago
  Same here. Oddly it seems the older generation was much more flexible in their thinking. What's interesting is how agile the CCP has become. We call it 'communist' but it no longer resembles any of the Marxist ideals we usually associate with it. They react quickly and have been using capitalism/modernization/nation-building as a very effective carrot. This isn't the old stagnant hard-line Soviet communism by any measure.
  - DrJokepu 17y ago
    I don't think anyone seriously believes that China is a communist country (in practice). It's a good old-fashioned dictatorship.
- chrischen 17y ago
  I think a surprising number of your friends (and mine) are probably driven by nationalism. I'm not a big fan of nationalism, and don't swing any particular way when it comes to race or country. I do however actively support specific policies and ideas. But particularly for minorities in countries nationalism provides an easy way for self-identity. You'd want to be able to be proud of some specific fact about yourself and unfortunately nationality is a particularly easy way for minorities like the Chinese (in the US) to do this. And so this easily leads to American raised Chinese to jump on board supporting their home country. The alternative is to admit that their special home country needs advice from the US. Perhaps they weren't properly (or weren't in the US long enough) brainwashed to accept democracy, but something is causing them to think that they understand the complex policies better than the rest of the developed world simply because they lived there once. I also know a Chinese international student in Canada for college who insists that I am brainwashed by the west. I think that's a pretty bold statement since it pretty much implies that I was too stupid to distinguish the noise from the truths when I learn shit, since the fundamental difference between the democratic world and the communist world is that in the democratic world the truth is always there no matter how much shit is piled on top of it and in the communist world they just pile shit on your face and actively try to hold the truths out of reach. I think with the silly gaffs like the little girl who was lip syncing at the olympics that the CCP is still tripping over itself on universally backwards policies, and that all this is not just a case of the west trying to assert its cultural differences onto China.
chrischen 17y ago
While I agree with the idea that democracy will not work properly on an uneducated population, I think that's no longer true in China, and instead of relaxing it's controls, China's increasing them. I think perhaps the arrogance is from the Chinese side in not wanting to be told what to do, and not from the rest of the developed world. If they really do not want to learn and borrow from the developed world, they should stop pirating western films and music and stop stealing western technological advancements as well as rejecting developed political advancements like freedom of information that conveniently happens to weaken the grip of the CCP. They clearly admit they are developing, then what other reason would they have to reject the advice of developed nations except to push away the specific advancements that could potentially disturb the balance of power. The Chinese is stance is highly arrogant and hypocritical.

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