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This comment, while interesting and helpful, would be enough to keep me away from DF forever. Game-breaking bugs? Ain't nobody got time for that. I already k

This comment, while interesting and helpful, would be enough to keep me away from DF forever. Game-breaking bugs? Ain't nobody got time for that. I already know about DF so I know I'm not interested in games like that, but man, I'm glad I never tried to pick it up.

empath75 11y ago
It's one of those games where bugs just add to the charm, if you like that sort of game. It's an ant farm that you're only sort of partially in control of even when it's running perfectly.
brianwawok 11y ago
I mean it's free and written by 2 people, you can only expect so much.
- wagglycocks 11y ago
  It's actually written entirely by one person; Zach is just an idea man.
  - unoti 11y ago
    > It's actually written entirely by one person; Zach is just an idea man. At some point when you've mastered basic code writing, ideas become the hardest part. This is especially true in game design, but also true even in solving business problems.
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snerbles 11y ago
There are enough players and fans that "got time for that", testing releases for stability so you don't have to. A pity you've chosen to miss out, as the depth of simulation in DF truly is astounding.
jacobolus 11y ago
Anyone who would be kept away by a warning about crashes because he “ain’t got time” would also be kept away by simply trying to play Dwarf Fortress for 10 minutes. It’s not a game for the faint hearted or impatient.
- metalliqaz 11y ago
  Hey you can read it however you like, but I find an expectation from an established player that the current released version is bug-ridden and may corrupt your save to be... scary. How many saves must he have had corrupted in the past? That's just not cool, man.
  - tptacek 11y ago
    If you're not the kind of person who can take flaws like crashes or game-stopping frame-rate issues and work them into your gameplay, DF is not the game for you. It isn't a friendly game. It can take hours just to figure out how to do core game tasks. "Don't do this thing that crashes the game" is just another task to learn.
  - Natsu 11y ago
    I can't say as I remember ever having a save get corrupted on me, though I suspect it must've happened to someone at some time. Usually the bugs are strange, hilarious or both. For example, here are some issues that have been fixed: Werebeast arrives, attacks livestock and dwarves but is not attacked by dwarves while in its werebeast form. Necromancers afraid of/killed by their own undead Dwarves with permanent injuries inevitably spiral into depression Moody dwarves claim workshops outside their burrow, haul infinite number of items, never start construction Lye in wood barrels can't be used for making soap Haulers carry (heavy) full bin to pickup single item (lighter) Happy thoughts do not affect stress levels; Dwarves slowly spiral into depression Dwarf misses completely unrelated dwarf Bogeymen attack elf/dwarf sites while sleeping in them Brewing stack of >6 plants produces a stack of >30 booze, which doesn't fit in a barrel Tantruming dwarves perform dozens of fistfights/throws in a second DOES_NOT_EXIST does not remove creatures from embark list Large grazers (elephants and giraffes) can't eat fast enough to keep from starving
codewithcheese 11y ago
It made me want to play. Not the bugs but the story. To have an experience like that with characters in a game is special...
pnathan 11y ago
DF is not a game like you might be thinking of a game, like Call of Duty, Warcraft, etc. It's a distant grandfather of Minecraft, but complex and detailed in ways that make emacs look straightforward. It's a lot of fun, but it's not a 'game'. :-)
gcb0 11y ago
this is to games as jazz is to music. you have more fun developing DF than playing.
- intended 11y ago
  That's apt.

empath75 11y ago

It's one of those games where bugs just add to the charm, if you like that sort of game. It's an ant farm that you're only sort of partially in control of even when it's running perfectly.

brianwawok 11y ago

I mean it's free and written by 2 people, you can only expect so much.

wagglycocks 11y ago
It's actually written entirely by one person; Zach is just an idea man.
- unoti 11y ago
  > It's actually written entirely by one person; Zach is just an idea man. At some point when you've mastered basic code writing, ideas become the hardest part. This is especially true in game design, but also true even in solving business problems.
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snerbles 11y ago

There are enough players and fans that "got time for that", testing releases for stability so you don't have to. A pity you've chosen to miss out, as the depth of simulation in DF truly is astounding.

jacobolus 11y ago

Anyone who would be kept away by a warning about crashes because he “ain’t got time” would also be kept away by simply trying to play Dwarf Fortress for 10 minutes. It’s not a game for the faint hearted or impatient.

metalliqaz 11y ago
Hey you can read it however you like, but I find an expectation from an established player that the current released version is bug-ridden and may corrupt your save to be... scary. How many saves must he have had corrupted in the past? That's just not cool, man.
- tptacek 11y ago
  If you're not the kind of person who can take flaws like crashes or game-stopping frame-rate issues and work them into your gameplay, DF is not the game for you. It isn't a friendly game. It can take hours just to figure out how to do core game tasks. "Don't do this thing that crashes the game" is just another task to learn.
- Natsu 11y ago
  I can't say as I remember ever having a save get corrupted on me, though I suspect it must've happened to someone at some time. Usually the bugs are strange, hilarious or both. For example, here are some issues that have been fixed: Werebeast arrives, attacks livestock and dwarves but is not attacked by dwarves while in its werebeast form. Necromancers afraid of/killed by their own undead Dwarves with permanent injuries inevitably spiral into depression Moody dwarves claim workshops outside their burrow, haul infinite number of items, never start construction Lye in wood barrels can't be used for making soap Haulers carry (heavy) full bin to pickup single item (lighter) Happy thoughts do not affect stress levels; Dwarves slowly spiral into depression Dwarf misses completely unrelated dwarf Bogeymen attack elf/dwarf sites while sleeping in them Brewing stack of >6 plants produces a stack of >30 booze, which doesn't fit in a barrel Tantruming dwarves perform dozens of fistfights/throws in a second DOES_NOT_EXIST does not remove creatures from embark list Large grazers (elephants and giraffes) can't eat fast enough to keep from starving

codewithcheese 11y ago

It made me want to play. Not the bugs but the story. To have an experience like that with characters in a game is special...

pnathan 11y ago

DF is not a game like you might be thinking of a game, like Call of Duty, Warcraft, etc. It's a distant grandfather of Minecraft, but complex and detailed in ways that make emacs look straightforward. It's a lot of fun, but it's not a 'game'. :-)

gcb0 11y ago

this is to games as jazz is to music. you have more fun developing DF than playing.

intended 11y ago
That's apt.