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> 06:00 - 06:03 That's tight. Do you face any resistance and have to train your mind or does it come easy when you sleep timely ?

by chdir 11y ago

hal9000xp 11y ago
I usually easily wake up with first/second alarm at 6:00/6:01 and feel fresh. Sometimes, I feel sleepy at 06:00 but since I clearly got idea of "sleep restriction" into my mind, I actually inverted my emotions about wake up time. I mean I actually worry if I spend in bed later than 6:03 because I know very well that it's costly to break my sleep schedule. One day I actually missed my alarm clock because my phone was out of charge. Since my room is completely dark, I woke up at 7:20 confused about time and with headache (i.e. headache after unusually long deep sleep). Next 4 days I felt tired and my sleep wasn't very good. So now, I double check my alarm clock and my phone always charged every evening :) I.e. most of the time it's easy to wake up at 6:00. When it's not easy, I wake up anyway since I get a lot of negative emotions if I brake sleep restriction principle :)
- acconrad 11y ago
  > I usually easily wake up with first/second alarm at 6:00/6:01 and feel fresh. I thought the signal for good sleep was that you didn't need an alarm to wake up? Can you point to those academic articles you've mentioned?
  - hal9000xp 11y ago
    I need alarm because I need to keep my sleep schedule in strict time frame. I often wake up at 5:30 because I slept very well at night. But I stay in bed and waiting for alarm. If I didn't sleep very well, I could wake up at 6:30, but my alarm triggers at 6:00 and I wake up at 6:01. In the beginning of my experiments with sleep, I tried to use natural wake up. But my sleep schedule started floating a lot and sleep quality degraded when offset become big. So I decided to keep strict sleep schedule. It's very balanced. If one night my sleep quality wasn't very good, then next night it's guaranteed that I have good sleep quality. But alarm clock guaranteed that I don't oversleep. I found "sleep restriction" for the first time here (look at "case illustration" on page 3): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3060715/pdf/nihms-279100.pdf http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3060715/pdf/nihm... After I just read another articles which I found by keywords "sleep restriction". It also contains very useful ideas about mindfulness meditation. I wrote about it in another comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10564930 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10564930
- iLoch 11y ago
  You might consider trying out an app for sleeping. I use one called Sleep Cycle, but there are many like it. I give the app a 30 minute timeframe that I want to wake up within, then I leave my phone on my bed. As I sleep it monitors my movement. The app will sound a gentle alarm when it determines you are out of REM (happens multiple times over the course of your sleep). I've found this app has improved my sleep quality dramatically and I never feel tired when I wake up because I'm not torn out of REM.
- jusben1369 11y ago
  So my biggest issue here is the artificialness of the wake up time given how much change there is in sunlight during the course of a year. And given clocks are a very recent invention it seems to be the odd one to chose. It can be well and truly light and sunny or pitch dark for another hour or more at 6am depending on the time of the year. In general I think it's great you moved your sleeping cycle closer to sunlight sundown than before and am not surprised you feel much better. I just am reticent to get into the hard "clock" game as it's such an artifical, new event for humanity.

> 06:00 - 06:03 That's tight. Do you face any resistance and have to train your mind or does it come easy when you sleep timely ?

by chdir 11y ago

> 06:00 - 06:03 That's tight. Do you face any resistance and have to train your mind or does it come easy when you sleep timely ?

hal9000xp 11y ago

I usually easily wake up with first/second alarm at 6:00/6:01 and feel fresh. Sometimes, I feel sleepy at 06:00 but since I clearly got idea of "sleep restriction" into my mind, I actually inverted my emotions about wake up time. I mean I actually worry if I spend in bed later than 6:03 because I know very well that it's costly to break my sleep schedule. One day I actually missed my alarm clock because my phone was out of charge. Since my room is completely dark, I woke up at 7:20 confused about time and with headache (i.e. headache after unusually long deep sleep). Next 4 days I felt tired and my sleep wasn't very good. So now, I double check my alarm clock and my phone always charged every evening :) I.e. most of the time it's easy to wake up at 6:00. When it's not easy, I wake up anyway since I get a lot of negative emotions if I brake sleep restriction principle :)

acconrad 11y ago
> I usually easily wake up with first/second alarm at 6:00/6:01 and feel fresh. I thought the signal for good sleep was that you didn't need an alarm to wake up? Can you point to those academic articles you've mentioned?
- hal9000xp 11y ago
  I need alarm because I need to keep my sleep schedule in strict time frame. I often wake up at 5:30 because I slept very well at night. But I stay in bed and waiting for alarm. If I didn't sleep very well, I could wake up at 6:30, but my alarm triggers at 6:00 and I wake up at 6:01. In the beginning of my experiments with sleep, I tried to use natural wake up. But my sleep schedule started floating a lot and sleep quality degraded when offset become big. So I decided to keep strict sleep schedule. It's very balanced. If one night my sleep quality wasn't very good, then next night it's guaranteed that I have good sleep quality. But alarm clock guaranteed that I don't oversleep. I found "sleep restriction" for the first time here (look at "case illustration" on page 3): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3060715/pdf/nihms-279100.pdf http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3060715/pdf/nihm... After I just read another articles which I found by keywords "sleep restriction". It also contains very useful ideas about mindfulness meditation. I wrote about it in another comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10564930 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10564930
iLoch 11y ago
You might consider trying out an app for sleeping. I use one called Sleep Cycle, but there are many like it. I give the app a 30 minute timeframe that I want to wake up within, then I leave my phone on my bed. As I sleep it monitors my movement. The app will sound a gentle alarm when it determines you are out of REM (happens multiple times over the course of your sleep). I've found this app has improved my sleep quality dramatically and I never feel tired when I wake up because I'm not torn out of REM.
jusben1369 11y ago
So my biggest issue here is the artificialness of the wake up time given how much change there is in sunlight during the course of a year. And given clocks are a very recent invention it seems to be the odd one to chose. It can be well and truly light and sunny or pitch dark for another hour or more at 6am depending on the time of the year. In general I think it's great you moved your sleeping cycle closer to sunlight sundown than before and am not surprised you feel much better. I just am reticent to get into the hard "clock" game as it's such an artifical, new event for humanity.