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After waking up, I watched a video of two cats fighting and screaming for a couple of minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEvvRfuVk30 https://www.youtube.c

After waking up, I watched a video of two cats fighting and screaming for a couple of minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEvvRfuVk30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEvvRfuVk30 The video has 8 million views. Out of all the activities and experiences that our modern world offers, 8 million viewers still chose to watch two cats fighting ... Why ? Projects like these make me both happy and scared - happy, because life is so good that people have nothing better to do than look for photos of sheep on google maps and publish them online. Scared because a lot more people have nothing better to do than visit that page and look at the photos of sheep somewhere in time and space.. Have we all gone mad ?

bobm_kite9 11y ago
I know exactly what you mean. I am trying to figure out why I do this too. I guess at some level, I expect a dopameine reward for watching a video. And, I guess this also motivates the other 8 million people. Even after I've watched something like this, I'm not entirely sure I've wasted my time. But, I think this does point to some kind of human failing, or inherent human bias, a bit like a propensity for gambling.
- petercooper 11y ago
  I'd argue that a propensity for gambling is essentially a propensity for risk taking, something that makes us human and commonly leads us to success (and major failures too, but this is the human condition). Many of my own successes have come via merely dicking around or dabbling in things that interested me, so I'm going to chalk it up as a win.
  - jacquesm 11y ago
    Richard Feynman got a Nobel prize out of 'dabbling in things that interested him'. Not everything has to have a purpose right away, good - even great - things can come from activities without direction.
  - bobm_kite9 11y ago
    yes, I see what you mean: gambling is a good trait to have in a population, but it sucks if you're the guy who has to pour all his money into fruit machines.
pizza234 11y ago
(Cheap) entertainment is a human need, we don't need to be productive 24/7 (of course, within a certain extent). I actually find deeply misguided to be (or trying to be) productive 24/7. edit: more precise wording.
jhoechtl 11y ago
The amount of brainless distraction grows at the same rate we as citizen feel depowered from fighting against those challenges which really affect us or other persuade to believe us to affect us.
pwm 11y ago
What would be your answer? Why did you watch it?
- jacquesm 11y ago
  Precisely. It's funny to complain about people watching cat videos in a 'Out of all the activities and experiences that our modern world offers, 8 million viewers still chose to watch two cats fighting' and 'have we all gone mad' manner while admitting to doing the same.
comboy 11y ago
It's really hard to define what's good/productive and what is not (apart from choosing optimization function, there's so many unknowns, like e.g. speeding up technological progress could be leading to our quicker extinction). So if I look at this frustrated guy rewriting app from one JS framework to another, and some other one being happy looking at some pictures of sheep, I'm really not able to tell which one is spending his time "better". Of course there's also this thing that for one person exploring depths of some computer game may be very exciting and worth spending time, while somebody else may not get his dopamine unless he creates something new. Everything seems to suggest that the there are more consumers than creators out there <insert education system rant here> But what I actually wanted to point out, is that when you look at human history, it seems to me, that even when spending a lot of time watching cats, average Joe is able and is doing a lot more of meaningful stuff today than he was able in the past. Again, meaningful is hard to define, but I mean there's more opportunity to do something that no one has ever done before. More niches and small global communities. Less time spent on dull repetitive tasks (yes, I think it does still hold true if you include China).
rimantas 11y ago
http://www.amazon.com/Slack-Getting-Burnout-Busywork-Efficiency/dp/0767907698 http://www.amazon.com/Slack-Getting-Burnout-Busywork-Efficie...
Arnt 11y ago
There a long slope from TV soaps to art. A lot of those otherwise pointless web pages live somewhere on that slope. I like it, personally. Bad art, pretend art, halfbrained art, it's all someone's creativity and to me, that glass is half full. Collecting sheep pictures is perhaps a poor display of creativity, but it is an act of creation, and thereby vastly better than sitting in front of the teevee watching game of thrones. http://49.media.tumblr.com/c6e37502d4da22a4761c9f3263a43c32/tumblr_nj76ot5V451tcuj64o1_400.gif http://49.media.tumblr.com/c6e37502d4da22a4761c9f3263a43c32/... http://itswillstuff.tumblr.com/post/126348805922/ffffffound-light-painting-evolved-introducing http://itswillstuff.tumblr.com/post/126348805922/ffffffound-...
jacquesm 11y ago
> Out of all the activities and experiences that our modern world offers, 8 million viewers still chose to watch two cats fighting ... Why ? There is at least one of those 8 million viewers that you can ask directly: yourself. I didn't watch that video and I won't be, so I'm asking you: Why?
- codeshaman 11y ago
  Actually :).. I wanted to scare off my cat who climbs onto my chair in the morning and bugs me from behind. So I searched for the thing on youtube and put the volume to the max... At first my cat was a bit worried, but by now he got used to the crazy machine I have here and he just rubbed his head off my iMac.. I on the other hand... continued watching the video and then I clicked another one and possibly another one. Why exactly I did that is a bit more complicated in this case - I guess the insatiable necessity to entertain the brain which we got so used to with technology... And it's getting more and more stronger as more people become 'addicted' to constant stimulation. But I still don't have the definite answer to that though...
  - jacquesm 11y ago
    Hehe. Ok, now extrapolate to 8m and you have your answer :)
JohannesH 11y ago
I posted a 9 second video of me pushing a coke can over a table making a sound that's similar to Chewbacca (https://youtu.be/myhYNsRXYgs https://youtu.be/myhYNsRXYgs) a few days ago. So far it's been seen 750.000 times on youtube and about 3.000.000 times on facebook. This is about 416 days worth of people watching this video (wasting time). However, I think it is the wrong perspective to take. People do all sorts of "seemingly" non-productive things (including but not limited to watching stupid youtube videos)... all the time. But I think these activities might have important and positive social properties (people bonding over the video, having a laugh). There are possibly even some positive psychological effects (such as stress relief). Well, that's just my thoughts on the matter. :) But of course I'm not a psychologist, and I don't know if this is the case in reality. But it is certainly an interesting topic to explore.
- marknutter 11y ago
  Ha, nice, a saw that on Reddit when it got popular there. Fun to watch something blow up you created, no matter how trivial it may seem.
  - JohannesH 11y ago
    Yeah it's been a fun learning experience. Still going strong but not as much as when it hit the front page of reddit.
- gamerDude 11y ago
  Haha, to bring in another psychology principle, after watching that I watched it again with my eyes closed. Definitely does not sound like Chewbacca unless you have the visual of Chewbacca in your mind making it easy for my mind to connect the memory of Chewbacca to aluminium dragging on a surface.
  - JohannesH 11y ago
    Hehe sure. However, both me and my colleague connected the sound without the visual. But we both saw one of the other Chewbacca videos a few days before so that's probably why. ;)
jackgavigan 11y ago
> After waking up, I watched a video of two cats fighting and screaming for a couple of minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEvvRfuVk30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEvvRfuVk30 That video needs subtitles.
jazzyk 11y ago
Huxley must be smiling (or weeping...) somewhere out there...
temo4ka 11y ago
“Mad” is a relative term. Is it sane to obsess over constantly staying productive? Is it normal to feel guilt when doing some silly, pointless things that bring you joy? In my vocabulary, “mad” are people who take life too seriously.
yellowstuff 11y ago
I don't see this as a commentary on modern times. I'd guess that if you pick random person from any era since the dawn of humanity and any location on Earth, the odds are pretty good that they'd be interested in watching 2 cats fighting.
teraflop 11y ago
At any given time, some large fraction of the human race is engaged in pointless amusing diversions, and that's been true for as long as we've had leisure time. The only difference now is that it's become much easier to measure.
kafkaesq 11y ago
I could never watch a video like that. I'd feel like I was invading their privacy.
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crpatino 11y ago
> happy, because life is so good that people have nothing better to do than look for photos of sheep on google maps Really? it sounds rather depressing to me. How is it any good that people would waste their limited time on Earth doing something like that?

bobm_kite9 11y ago

I know exactly what you mean. I am trying to figure out why I do this too. I guess at some level, I expect a dopameine reward for watching a video. And, I guess this also motivates the other 8 million people. Even after I've watched something like this, I'm not entirely sure I've wasted my time. But, I think this does point to some kind of human failing, or inherent human bias, a bit like a propensity for gambling.

petercooper 11y ago
I'd argue that a propensity for gambling is essentially a propensity for risk taking, something that makes us human and commonly leads us to success (and major failures too, but this is the human condition). Many of my own successes have come via merely dicking around or dabbling in things that interested me, so I'm going to chalk it up as a win.
- jacquesm 11y ago
  Richard Feynman got a Nobel prize out of 'dabbling in things that interested him'. Not everything has to have a purpose right away, good - even great - things can come from activities without direction.
- bobm_kite9 11y ago
  yes, I see what you mean: gambling is a good trait to have in a population, but it sucks if you're the guy who has to pour all his money into fruit machines.

pizza234 11y ago

(Cheap) entertainment is a human need, we don't need to be productive 24/7 (of course, within a certain extent). I actually find deeply misguided to be (or trying to be) productive 24/7. edit: more precise wording.

jhoechtl 11y ago

The amount of brainless distraction grows at the same rate we as citizen feel depowered from fighting against those challenges which really affect us or other persuade to believe us to affect us.

pwm 11y ago

What would be your answer? Why did you watch it?

jacquesm 11y ago
Precisely. It's funny to complain about people watching cat videos in a 'Out of all the activities and experiences that our modern world offers, 8 million viewers still chose to watch two cats fighting' and 'have we all gone mad' manner while admitting to doing the same.

comboy 11y ago

It's really hard to define what's good/productive and what is not (apart from choosing optimization function, there's so many unknowns, like e.g. speeding up technological progress could be leading to our quicker extinction). So if I look at this frustrated guy rewriting app from one JS framework to another, and some other one being happy looking at some pictures of sheep, I'm really not able to tell which one is spending his time "better". Of course there's also this thing that for one person exploring depths of some computer game may be very exciting and worth spending time, while somebody else may not get his dopamine unless he creates something new. Everything seems to suggest that the there are more consumers than creators out there <insert education system rant here> But what I actually wanted to point out, is that when you look at human history, it seems to me, that even when spending a lot of time watching cats, average Joe is able and is doing a lot more of meaningful stuff today than he was able in the past. Again, meaningful is hard to define, but I mean there's more opportunity to do something that no one has ever done before. More niches and small global communities. Less time spent on dull repetitive tasks (yes, I think it does still hold true if you include China).

rimantas 11y ago

http://www.amazon.com/Slack-Getting-Burnout-Busywork-Efficiency/dp/0767907698 http://www.amazon.com/Slack-Getting-Burnout-Busywork-Efficie...

Arnt 11y ago

There a long slope from TV soaps to art. A lot of those otherwise pointless web pages live somewhere on that slope. I like it, personally. Bad art, pretend art, halfbrained art, it's all someone's creativity and to me, that glass is half full. Collecting sheep pictures is perhaps a poor display of creativity, but it is an act of creation, and thereby vastly better than sitting in front of the teevee watching game of thrones. http://49.media.tumblr.com/c6e37502d4da22a4761c9f3263a43c32/tumblr_nj76ot5V451tcuj64o1_400.gif http://49.media.tumblr.com/c6e37502d4da22a4761c9f3263a43c32/... http://itswillstuff.tumblr.com/post/126348805922/ffffffound-light-painting-evolved-introducing http://itswillstuff.tumblr.com/post/126348805922/ffffffound-...

jacquesm 11y ago

> Out of all the activities and experiences that our modern world offers, 8 million viewers still chose to watch two cats fighting ... Why ? There is at least one of those 8 million viewers that you can ask directly: yourself. I didn't watch that video and I won't be, so I'm asking you: Why?

codeshaman 11y ago
Actually :).. I wanted to scare off my cat who climbs onto my chair in the morning and bugs me from behind. So I searched for the thing on youtube and put the volume to the max... At first my cat was a bit worried, but by now he got used to the crazy machine I have here and he just rubbed his head off my iMac.. I on the other hand... continued watching the video and then I clicked another one and possibly another one. Why exactly I did that is a bit more complicated in this case - I guess the insatiable necessity to entertain the brain which we got so used to with technology... And it's getting more and more stronger as more people become 'addicted' to constant stimulation. But I still don't have the definite answer to that though...
- jacquesm 11y ago
  Hehe. Ok, now extrapolate to 8m and you have your answer :)

JohannesH 11y ago

I posted a 9 second video of me pushing a coke can over a table making a sound that's similar to Chewbacca (https://youtu.be/myhYNsRXYgs https://youtu.be/myhYNsRXYgs) a few days ago. So far it's been seen 750.000 times on youtube and about 3.000.000 times on facebook. This is about 416 days worth of people watching this video (wasting time). However, I think it is the wrong perspective to take. People do all sorts of "seemingly" non-productive things (including but not limited to watching stupid youtube videos)... all the time. But I think these activities might have important and positive social properties (people bonding over the video, having a laugh). There are possibly even some positive psychological effects (such as stress relief). Well, that's just my thoughts on the matter. :) But of course I'm not a psychologist, and I don't know if this is the case in reality. But it is certainly an interesting topic to explore.

marknutter 11y ago
Ha, nice, a saw that on Reddit when it got popular there. Fun to watch something blow up you created, no matter how trivial it may seem.
- JohannesH 11y ago
  Yeah it's been a fun learning experience. Still going strong but not as much as when it hit the front page of reddit.
gamerDude 11y ago
Haha, to bring in another psychology principle, after watching that I watched it again with my eyes closed. Definitely does not sound like Chewbacca unless you have the visual of Chewbacca in your mind making it easy for my mind to connect the memory of Chewbacca to aluminium dragging on a surface.
- JohannesH 11y ago
  Hehe sure. However, both me and my colleague connected the sound without the visual. But we both saw one of the other Chewbacca videos a few days before so that's probably why. ;)

jackgavigan 11y ago

> After waking up, I watched a video of two cats fighting and screaming for a couple of minutes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEvvRfuVk30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEvvRfuVk30 That video needs subtitles.

jazzyk 11y ago

Huxley must be smiling (or weeping...) somewhere out there...

temo4ka 11y ago

“Mad” is a relative term. Is it sane to obsess over constantly staying productive? Is it normal to feel guilt when doing some silly, pointless things that bring you joy? In my vocabulary, “mad” are people who take life too seriously.

yellowstuff 11y ago

I don't see this as a commentary on modern times. I'd guess that if you pick random person from any era since the dawn of humanity and any location on Earth, the odds are pretty good that they'd be interested in watching 2 cats fighting.

teraflop 11y ago

At any given time, some large fraction of the human race is engaged in pointless amusing diversions, and that's been true for as long as we've had leisure time. The only difference now is that it's become much easier to measure.

kafkaesq 11y ago

I could never watch a video like that. I'd feel like I was invading their privacy.

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crpatino 11y ago

> happy, because life is so good that people have nothing better to do than look for photos of sheep on google maps Really? it sounds rather depressing to me. How is it any good that people would waste their limited time on Earth doing something like that?