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This is a great reminder that some things are, in fact, complicated. Furthermore, smart people, good process, and hard work can conquer this. Lately I've been

This is a great reminder that some things are, in fact, complicated. Furthermore, smart people, good process, and hard work can conquer this. Lately I've been flying a lot and even now, after hundreds of flights, each time the plane takes off I think about how amazing it is that this whole air-travel system works so reliably and safely. Kudos to Boeing and Airbus engineers. I've worked in nuclear energy, surgical medical imaging devices, and in the auto industry - and it really gets me in a tizzy when a fresh "agile MBA manager" expects a "quick hack" solution to some of these problems. There just isn't always one when quality/reliability are requirements, not nice-to-haves.

ucaetano 11y ago
Nothing like a good "engineers are gods and MBAs are dumb" post to start the day. Sounds like you company is clearly hiring the wrong MBAs, maybe the problem is your company :)
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- peterwwillis 11y ago
  Sounds like you haven't worked in nuclear energy, surgical medical imaging devices or the auto industry. Agile is designed to get a product to a customer, rapidly and adaptively. But this is mostly useful for software that stands alone; you can't always rapidly adapt microcontrollers, bone drill burrs, heavy turbines and optical sensors. Even if you could make a 'quick hack' to one, there's 50 standards to reassess, and if one fails, you have to go back and re-do your change. The OP is right. There are problems that require longer term, complicated solutions that have to be designed first, approved second, and implemented third. An agile MBA is not dumb; they just don't all work on the same problems.
  - ucaetano 11y ago
    To be honest sounds more like you're talking about agile people. Move fast and break things doesn't work in any of those scenarios, I've seen a lot of people during my engineering days who just wouldn't work under the pressures required to design a system with extremely high reliability. It goes back to hiring the right people, not to the people themselves :)
    - jhall1468 11y ago
      > I've seen a lot of people during my engineering days who just wouldn't work under the pressures required to design a system with extremely high reliability. I think the difference is that most engineers understand when high reliability is necessary, even if they can't deal with the pressure of implementation. An MBA whose job is to "move the ship faster" simply isn't going to understand the distinction between parts of the system that can be thrown together, and parts that absolutely can't. Hard to hire the right people when the majority of MBA's aren't engineering undergrads.

ucaetano 11y ago

Nothing like a good "engineers are gods and MBAs are dumb" post to start the day. Sounds like you company is clearly hiring the wrong MBAs, maybe the problem is your company :)

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peterwwillis 11y ago
Sounds like you haven't worked in nuclear energy, surgical medical imaging devices or the auto industry. Agile is designed to get a product to a customer, rapidly and adaptively. But this is mostly useful for software that stands alone; you can't always rapidly adapt microcontrollers, bone drill burrs, heavy turbines and optical sensors. Even if you could make a 'quick hack' to one, there's 50 standards to reassess, and if one fails, you have to go back and re-do your change. The OP is right. There are problems that require longer term, complicated solutions that have to be designed first, approved second, and implemented third. An agile MBA is not dumb; they just don't all work on the same problems.
- ucaetano 11y ago
  To be honest sounds more like you're talking about agile people. Move fast and break things doesn't work in any of those scenarios, I've seen a lot of people during my engineering days who just wouldn't work under the pressures required to design a system with extremely high reliability. It goes back to hiring the right people, not to the people themselves :)
  - jhall1468 11y ago
    > I've seen a lot of people during my engineering days who just wouldn't work under the pressures required to design a system with extremely high reliability. I think the difference is that most engineers understand when high reliability is necessary, even if they can't deal with the pressure of implementation. An MBA whose job is to "move the ship faster" simply isn't going to understand the distinction between parts of the system that can be thrown together, and parts that absolutely can't. Hard to hire the right people when the majority of MBA's aren't engineering undergrads.