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Ask HN: Getting the (Next) Job

2 points by markthethomas 11y ago

So, I'm asking a rather open-ended question about getting my next web development job. Background: I'm a mostly self-taught developer with some formal training in CS. I try to be as full-stack as I can be, but I've tried to focus mostly on JavaScript & Node.js. I'm currently in the process of looking for a new work situation, and I'm hoping to get as much good advice/info on how I can best distinguish myself, handle the interview questions, etc. I've started by getting all the books I can and reading through them — Intro to Algorithms (CLRS) and similar — as well as coding as much as I can and implementing as many algorithms/data structures as I can. Question: So, as a web developer with a little over 2 years of experience and no seriously formal background in CS, what can I do to best distinguish myself from the competition? Thanks! Disclaimer: my company is in the process of transitioning its overall structure and needs, so the development team I'm on is being sunsetted — they're well aware I'm looking, etc.

adam419 11y ago
I was in the same position as you a month ago and now have an amazing job at a big name company. Also never went to college and am self-taught. 1. Dedicate 4 hours a day to practice, breakdown is maybe 2 hours of solving hard algorithm/programming interview questions. Really solve them, do not let yourself look at the solution until you've made a real stab at the problem. Also attempt problems harder than you think will be given to you. Also try to get a smart friend to do a mock whiteboard problem with you as often as possible. Spend the other two hours learning hard computer science. Keep grinding through Intro to Algorithms, but slowly. Really internalize and make yourself believe you understand the concepts and material. 2. Apply everywhere. Seriously, even places you don't think you'd work at. The interview might change your mind and make you excited about the company, and at least it's practice. Also, subtly convince yourself YOU are also interviewing them. It will convey a lot more value on your behalf. 3. Go to meetups and meet people. I don't know where you're located, but meetups can seriously lead to opportunity. I say this even though ironically 2/3 of my jobs I've gotten from applying on the website. But my first job/internship came to me in highschool after meeting the VP of the company who offered a job on the spot. In #1, I may have seemed to have taken a hardline approach, that's right. In my experience, the interviews I've had were not even 20% as difficult as the problems I was used to solving and that's the point. Working really hard to master the material will show in unpredictable ways. Best of luck.
- markthethomas 11y ago
  Thanks for your feedback and advice!
lollipop25 11y ago
> I'm a mostly self-taught developer with some formal training in CS Not really a problem. I believe the most awesome programmers are the ones that come from a self-taught background. Some employers often see this as a good trait, as you set aside time to learn and not slack off. Also, coming from another field and going into programming is a good bonus as you see programming in a different angle compared to someone who's rooted deep into programming (the "wrote my first BASIC at 4 years old and been programming eversince" kind of person) > I try to be as full-stack as I can be, but I've tried to focus mostly on JavaScript & Node.js Don't. You know JS, therefore you know half the story of Node. All you need to compensate for is the knowledge of existing tools and modules. Get another server-side language instead of Node.js. PHP, Java and C# are in the same ballpark in terms of familiarity. > what can I do to best distinguish myself from the competition? Just be yourself. That's the best way to make yourself distinguished. Being someone you're not is the absolute worst thing you'd want to show to your potential employer. Show off what you've got, but don't create stuff just to show off. What I mean is, if you have past projects, show them off. Don't create stuff for the sake of that interview. Github commits from 2 weeks ago don't lie.
- markthethomas 11y ago
  Thanks for your feedback & advice!

2 points by markthethomas 11y ago

adam419 11y ago

I was in the same position as you a month ago and now have an amazing job at a big name company. Also never went to college and am self-taught. 1. Dedicate 4 hours a day to practice, breakdown is maybe 2 hours of solving hard algorithm/programming interview questions. Really solve them, do not let yourself look at the solution until you've made a real stab at the problem. Also attempt problems harder than you think will be given to you. Also try to get a smart friend to do a mock whiteboard problem with you as often as possible. Spend the other two hours learning hard computer science. Keep grinding through Intro to Algorithms, but slowly. Really internalize and make yourself believe you understand the concepts and material. 2. Apply everywhere. Seriously, even places you don't think you'd work at. The interview might change your mind and make you excited about the company, and at least it's practice. Also, subtly convince yourself YOU are also interviewing them. It will convey a lot more value on your behalf. 3. Go to meetups and meet people. I don't know where you're located, but meetups can seriously lead to opportunity. I say this even though ironically 2/3 of my jobs I've gotten from applying on the website. But my first job/internship came to me in highschool after meeting the VP of the company who offered a job on the spot. In #1, I may have seemed to have taken a hardline approach, that's right. In my experience, the interviews I've had were not even 20% as difficult as the problems I was used to solving and that's the point. Working really hard to master the material will show in unpredictable ways. Best of luck.

markthethomas 11y ago
Thanks for your feedback and advice!

lollipop25 11y ago

> I'm a mostly self-taught developer with some formal training in CS Not really a problem. I believe the most awesome programmers are the ones that come from a self-taught background. Some employers often see this as a good trait, as you set aside time to learn and not slack off. Also, coming from another field and going into programming is a good bonus as you see programming in a different angle compared to someone who's rooted deep into programming (the "wrote my first BASIC at 4 years old and been programming eversince" kind of person) > I try to be as full-stack as I can be, but I've tried to focus mostly on JavaScript & Node.js Don't. You know JS, therefore you know half the story of Node. All you need to compensate for is the knowledge of existing tools and modules. Get another server-side language instead of Node.js. PHP, Java and C# are in the same ballpark in terms of familiarity. > what can I do to best distinguish myself from the competition? Just be yourself. That's the best way to make yourself distinguished. Being someone you're not is the absolute worst thing you'd want to show to your potential employer. Show off what you've got, but don't create stuff just to show off. What I mean is, if you have past projects, show them off. Don't create stuff for the sake of that interview. Github commits from 2 weeks ago don't lie.

markthethomas 11y ago
Thanks for your feedback & advice!