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It might not be for ad targeting, but it's for Google's monetization as stated in the article. It's mined. Google should not be allowed near an educational env

It might not be for ad targeting, but it's for Google's monetization as stated in the article. It's mined. Google should not be allowed near an educational environment. It's business is built on data collection and monetization of it.

kllrnohj 11y ago
> Google's monetization as stated in the article. It's mined. Yes that's the claim but where is the evidence? Unsubstantiated claims are also called conspiracy theories.
- pdkl95 11y ago
  Where is the evidence for Google's claims of not using the data? Why would you take their word for it. People who following unsubstantiated claims are also called apparatchik.
  - kllrnohj 11y ago
    That argument doesn't work. It's like saying "well, prove the boogieman doesn't exist". If you're going to claim malice, it's your responsibility to provide evidence.
- ksk 11y ago
  Its rather obvious why people are worried. It would be like having a lion in a cage with a deer. Sure maybe the lion isn't interested in eating because its full, or maybe it never intends to eat the deer because it gotten used to other kind of meat. Or maybe it gave its word that it wont. All that is possible. But instead of having to spend every second of your life watching if the lion eats the deer, we should structure the system so that its impossible for the lion to ever be next to the deer. Google is an advertising company, and slowly they have been adding spyware-like capabilities to their product (address bar - keystroke logging in chrome, injecting every single search result with javascript, "accidentally" listening to users microphones for hotwords without their express permission, etc) It is perfectly natural to be very weary of such companies. I suspect people would be fine with Google providing the chromebooks as long as the contract legally binds them to never collect the data. >Unsubstantiated claims are also called conspiracy theories. No, they are not. Conspiracy theories have a connotation of being ridiculous and outlandish. That is how the general public understands the term. A company like Google whose bread and butter is datamining, being accused of mining additional data is not a conspiracy theory.
- msk456 11y ago
  the same can be said about google's claims that this data is not being used for targeted ads. so much for conspiracy theories.

kllrnohj 11y ago

> Google's monetization as stated in the article. It's mined. Yes that's the claim but where is the evidence? Unsubstantiated claims are also called conspiracy theories.

pdkl95 11y ago
Where is the evidence for Google's claims of not using the data? Why would you take their word for it. People who following unsubstantiated claims are also called apparatchik.
- kllrnohj 11y ago
  That argument doesn't work. It's like saying "well, prove the boogieman doesn't exist". If you're going to claim malice, it's your responsibility to provide evidence.
ksk 11y ago
Its rather obvious why people are worried. It would be like having a lion in a cage with a deer. Sure maybe the lion isn't interested in eating because its full, or maybe it never intends to eat the deer because it gotten used to other kind of meat. Or maybe it gave its word that it wont. All that is possible. But instead of having to spend every second of your life watching if the lion eats the deer, we should structure the system so that its impossible for the lion to ever be next to the deer. Google is an advertising company, and slowly they have been adding spyware-like capabilities to their product (address bar - keystroke logging in chrome, injecting every single search result with javascript, "accidentally" listening to users microphones for hotwords without their express permission, etc) It is perfectly natural to be very weary of such companies. I suspect people would be fine with Google providing the chromebooks as long as the contract legally binds them to never collect the data. >Unsubstantiated claims are also called conspiracy theories. No, they are not. Conspiracy theories have a connotation of being ridiculous and outlandish. That is how the general public understands the term. A company like Google whose bread and butter is datamining, being accused of mining additional data is not a conspiracy theory.
msk456 11y ago
the same can be said about google's claims that this data is not being used for targeted ads. so much for conspiracy theories.